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This is a conversation to debate wether or not Official LOTR Minifigures are a good thing or a bad thing.

this build: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/358527
influences me to say that LOTR minifigures may be cool, but they reduce the creativity of builds, and, therefore, ruin them.

what are your opinions?
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| April 24, 2013, 7:52 pm
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Quoting The Timinater !
This is a conversation to debate wether or not Official LOTR Minifigures are a good thing or a bad thing.

this build: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/358527
influences me to say that LOTR minifigures may be cool, but they reduce the creativity of builds, and, therefore, ruin them.

what are your opinions?
I say they're fine. I mean, that build was for fun. Besides, if you say that they ruin you're creativity, then minifigures as a group should be banned. Minifigures in general take away creativity, if you put it that way. I mean, who hasn't put all their dudes on a plate preparing for war or in battle? This was just a bit more official, and altogether harmless. Not uncreative. :)

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| April 24, 2013, 8:11 pm
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And, Tim, unless you got permission, (I didn't think about that till now) please don't create new topics. I will lock it until Micheal or Mark give the OK to comment in it.
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| April 24, 2013, 8:13 pm
Quoting David .
And, Tim, unless you got permission, (I didn't think about that till now) please don't create new topics. I will lock it until Micheal or Mark give the OK to comment in it.


Michael gave him permission to make it. I stalk all the convo in my groups so I saw him ask in the 'Ask the Admins' thread. It's cool!
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| April 24, 2013, 8:26 pm
Quoting The Timinater !
This is a conversation to debate wether or not Official LOTR Minifigures are a good thing or a bad thing.

this build: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/358527
influences me to say that LOTR minifigures may be cool, but they reduce the creativity of builds, and, therefore, ruin them.

what are your opinions?


Well, I think the figs really top this build off. The build itself (no offense to the builder) wasn't the best and with a bunch of custom figs I think it would look kind of s!lly. That's just my opinion though.
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| April 24, 2013, 8:28 pm
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Oh ok, I looked and didn't think I sawr it.
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| April 24, 2013, 8:36 pm
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Quoting The Timinater !
This is a conversation to debate wether or not Official LOTR Minifigures are a good thing or a bad thing.

this build: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/358527
influences me to say that LOTR minifigures may be cool, but they reduce the creativity of builds, and, therefore, ruin them.

what are your opinions?

I like them, except as most people know, I am always in favor of yellow over flesh. I would like them better if they were yellow figures.
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| April 24, 2013, 10:32 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
I like them, except as most people know, I am always in favor of yellow over flesh. I would like them better if they were yellow figures.

Well they're Uruk-Hai, they shouldnt be yellow aynway.
But Timminater, so you are sayning we should not have a LotR theme.
Because if had'nt got that we'd still be populating our LotR MOC's with fanatasy era trolls.
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| April 25, 2013, 1:15 am
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Quoting The Timinater !
This is a conversation to debate wether or not Official LOTR Minifigures are a good thing or a bad thing.

this build: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/358527
influences me to say that LOTR minifigures may be cool, but they reduce the creativity of builds, and, therefore, ruin them.

what are your opinions?


Well maybe you should have not used Justin's creation. I think that,even though its small he did use other creative pieces,such as lurt'z shield. The base plate was nice too,but also he probably built it for fun. Maybe its just you dont like the Official LOTRs minifigs as much in a build.

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| April 25, 2013, 9:21 am
I like using official Figs as well as my own in MOCs. That one - like others have said - was more of a fun set-up that one would have in one's room or something. I think it's cool (hence I liked it).

As long as there are original builds in a MOC, the official Figs are the best to use for it if you're doing it from the book or movie. It gives a clear context and time period :)

Lego does a great job with their figures, it's nice to use them :D
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| April 25, 2013, 9:50 am
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Quoting Frederick B.
Well they're Uruk-Hai, they shouldnt be yellow aynway.
But Timminater, so you are sayning we should not have a LotR theme.
Because if had'nt got that we'd still be populating our LotR MOC's with fanatasy era trolls.

I was just speaking about the figures in general, I wasn't directly referring to the uruk hai figures.
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| April 25, 2013, 9:51 am
Quoting Mark Murphy
I was just speaking about the figures in general, I wasn't directly referring to the uruk hai figures.

Oooops, i thought you meant the Uruks...
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| April 25, 2013, 11:49 am
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Quoting Mark Murphy
I was just speaking about the figures in general, I wasn't directly referring to the uruk hai figures.


But then we'd have Cool lotr shirts with yellow skin. :/
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| April 25, 2013, 3:20 pm
Quoting David .

But then we'd have Cool lotr shirts with yellow skin. :/

Yeah, I most definitely favor peach skin...
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| April 25, 2013, 3:22 pm
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I prefer skin-coloured if I want the build to be realistic, but mostly, I prefer yellow.
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| April 25, 2013, 4:56 pm
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Quoting ~ Caleb ~
I prefer skin-coloured if I want the build to be realistic, but mostly, I prefer yellow.

I prefer yellow too. It has been there befor and there are much more possibilities for combinations.
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| April 26, 2013, 9:30 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I prefer yellow too. It has been there befor and there are much more possibilities for combinations.

Agreed.
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| April 26, 2013, 1:09 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I prefer yellow too. It has been there befor and there are much more possibilities for combinations.


Yeah, I think the yellow look better but now I've decided on a combination between the two. That way I don't have to use my low supply of heads to replace the ones on the official figs. I think the official figs (in most cases) look very good! Though I think that yellow heads look better in most cases.
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| April 26, 2013, 7:21 pm
Quoting David .
Quoting The Timinater !
This is a conversation to debate wether or not Official LOTR Minifigures are a good thing or a bad thing.

this build: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/358527
influences me to say that LOTR minifigures may be cool, but they reduce the creativity of builds, and, therefore, ruin them.

what are your opinions?
I say they're fine. I mean, that build was for fun. Besides, if you say that they ruin you're creativity, then minifigures as a group should be banned. Minifigures in general take away creativity, if you put it that way. I mean, who hasn't put all their dudes on a plate preparing for war or in battle? This was just a bit more official, and altogether harmless. Not uncreative. :)

I mean official figs take away creativity. Normal figs do not; they increase creativity, and PU. If a castle builder was to use only official minifigures, no-one would like their builds. can you imagine someone like Mark Erickson being popular and using official minifigs?
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| April 26, 2013, 8:56 pm
Quoting Evan 'Beardless Dwarf' Botkin

Well, I think the figs really top this build off. The build itself (no offense to the builder) wasn't the best and with a bunch of custom figs I think it would look kind of s!lly. That's just my opinion though.

really? yes, the figs are cool, but they are official. I respect your opinion, and while it might not have looked as good, my arguement is that official minifigs reduce creativity, and, therefore, skill of the build and builder.
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| April 26, 2013, 8:57 pm
Quoting Frederick B.
But Timminater, so you are sayning we should not have a LotR theme.
Because if had'nt got that we'd still be populating our LotR MOC's with fanatasy era trolls.

umm, yeah, I guess that's essentially what I'm saying.

I think people can still build great LOTR MOCs that involve minifigs, without ruining the build with unnofficial figs.
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| April 26, 2013, 9:03 pm
Quoting Chris .

Well maybe you should have not used Justin's creation. I think that,even though its small he did use other creative pieces,such as lurt'z shield. The base plate was nice too,but also he probably built it for fun. Maybe its just you dont like the Official LOTRs minifigs as much in a build.

Maybe not, I just wanted to show you and example of what I'm saying. there was barely any creativity in that MOC.

I never really liked the LOTR figs, and this just proves my point as to why.

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| April 26, 2013, 9:04 pm
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Quoting The Timinater !
Maybe not, I just wanted to show you and example of what I'm saying. there was barely any creativity in that MOC.

I never really liked the LOTR figs, and this just proves my point as to why.

Ok! I did not try to be mean =D but I understand what you mean.
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| April 26, 2013, 10:06 pm
Quoting The Timinater !
Can you imagine someone like Mark Erickson being popular and using official minifigs?

Um...yes! Because his builds are still amazing - with or without minifigs.

If someone is like me, they have about the same number of yellow minifigs and peach minifigs. I mix them up. I prefer the peach ones, yet I don't run into problems of sticking with the official figs. I have a bunch of peach, so I can make my own peach minifigs (which is what I do most of the time).

If I were to do a battle scene with orgcs, I would definitely use the official figs for the orcs because they are more acurate to what I'm trying to get to. no other helmets come close to those helmets - sure you can improvise, but it doesn't look the best.

Those who have been building with LEGOs longer would have more yellow, but pretty soon I'd have the opposite - more peach. Thus, it is logical for me to use more peach mixed minifigs -not necessarily official ones. Plus, hands that are not yellow work with peach (they could be gloves or something). I think official minifigures are great if someone is depicting something directly from a scene in the book, movie, or time period of when those official minifigs would be present. If someone has an official Aragorn minifigure, and wants to do a MOC that has Aragorn fighting the Nasgul on top of Weathertop, use the official Aragon minifigure; he'd look better than a yellow custom/mixed minifigure.
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| April 26, 2013, 10:20 pm
Quoting The Timinater !
umm, yeah, I guess that's essentially what I'm saying.

I think people can still build great LOTR MOCs that involve minifigs, without ruining the build with unnofficial figs.

Yes, im not saying that it is a bad thing, you can build amazing Moc's without official figures (Just look at the Journey of the Fellowship from Brickworld 2011) but now that we have those figures i'd rather use them.
I mean you can make just as good moc's with official figures like Blake Baers
Rivendell.
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| April 27, 2013, 1:57 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I prefer yellow too. It has been there befor and there are much more possibilities for combinations.

My LOM character started off as flesh, but yesterday I changed it all to yellow, as I have a LOT more medieval pieces, and since LOM includes barbarians, (Rainos) I have plenty of yellow barbaric pieces, but not so much fleshy.
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| April 27, 2013, 8:52 am
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What do you guys think of the new Grima Wormtongue minifig? I think his torso's pretty cool, but I don't know about the face...
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| April 27, 2013, 8:57 am
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Quoting ~ Caleb ~
What do you guys think of the new Grima Wormtongue minifig? I think his torso's pretty cool, but I don't know about the face...

I agree, his face is just not the deceiving type more like scared.
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| April 27, 2013, 11:56 am
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Quoting Chris .
I agree, his face is just not the deceiving type more like scared.

Exactly! Although Saruman's face is quite good, it has that evil malicious look that he portrays in the movie.

The staves that come with the set are interesting, according to BrickWiki, they are the staves of the missing wizards. I'm guessing those are a references to the 2 Blue wizards, and possibly Radagast???
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| April 27, 2013, 1:07 pm
Quoting Chris .
Ok! I did not try to be mean =D but I understand what you mean.

nah, it's cool, I didn't think you were being mean at all :)

I get your point, yes.
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| April 30, 2013, 2:58 am
Quoting David the Fire Ninja Jedi
Um...yes! Because his builds are still amazing - with or without minifigs.

If someone is like me, they have about the same number of yellow minifigs and peach minifigs. I mix them up. I prefer the peach ones, yet I don't run into problems of sticking with the official figs. I have a bunch of peach, so I can make my own peach minifigs (which is what I do most of the time).

If I were to do a battle scene with orgcs, I would definitely use the official figs for the orcs because they are more acurate to what I'm trying to get to. no other helmets come close to those helmets - sure you can improvise, but it doesn't look the best.

Those who have been building with LEGOs longer would have more yellow, but pretty soon I'd have the opposite - more peach. Thus, it is logical for me to use more peach mixed minifigs -not necessarily official ones. Plus, hands that are not yellow work with peach (they could be gloves or something). I think official minifigures are great if someone is depicting something directly from a scene in the book, movie, or time period of when those official minifigs would be present. If someone has an official Aragorn minifigure, and wants to do a MOC that has Aragorn fighting the Nasgul on top of Weathertop, use the official Aragon minifigure; he'd look better than a yellow custom/mixed minifigure.

good points.

still, I just hope we don't over-use the official figs too much... I like creative figs.
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| April 30, 2013, 3:00 am
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Quoting Chris .
I agree, his face is just not the deceiving type more like scared.

I agree
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| April 30, 2013, 9:03 am
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Quoting The Timinater !
can you imagine someone like Mark Erickson being popular and using official minifigs?

Actually, Yeah, I can. His builds are flat out amazing. :P
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| April 30, 2013, 1:18 pm
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Quoting ~ Caleb ~
What do you guys think of the new Grima Wormtongue minifig? I think his torso's pretty cool, but I don't know about the face...
Considering he's included in Orthanc I think the scared face works pretty well. The only time he looks deceiving in the movie is when he is hanging around Rohan, but whenever Saruman is around, he is like a cowering mouse afraid of being eaten. So he works, even if he is ugly. :)

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| April 30, 2013, 1:22 pm
Quoting The Timinater !
I just hope we don't over-use the official figs too much... I like creative figs.

Yeah. If there are official minifigs, the build should be able to be by itself and still be awesome.
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| April 30, 2013, 1:24 pm
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Quoting The Timinater !
This is a conversation to debate wether or not Official LOTR Minifigures are a good thing or a bad thing.

this build: http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/358527
influences me to say that LOTR minifigures may be cool, but they reduce the creativity of builds, and, therefore, ruin them.

what are your opinions?


Alright Tim, your asking for it.


First off, I really don't think there is any way to "ruin" a build. Every builder has their own style/preference so in my opinion there's nothing one can do to take away from his/her creation.

There's hundreds of thousands of different builders out there and we all have our different preferences when it comes to building. For example, one person may like a certain technique and another may greatly dislike it. One may like third party LEGO accessories, one may greatly dislike them.

While I do think this is a good discussion (a very good one) I find it a bit rude to use my build as the center of attention. I personally quite liked that build, and therefore that's the reason I posted it to MOCpages. I didn't figure someone would use it as an example just because they don't like official Lord of the Rings set's.

I personally love the LOTR/Hobbit sets. I think their one of the better themes LEGO has decided to take on and they've done a stellar job recreating them. I'm quite the fan of the official Orcs.

So thereís my two cents on this topic. Feel free to ask me any questions as Iíll happily answer them. -Justin

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| April 30, 2013, 5:11 pm
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