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Did you guys see the new Trailer to the Trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF7B-K8M6qo
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| July 27, 2014, 6:53 pm
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Quoting Benaiah Newhall
Did you guys see the new Trailer to the Trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF7B-K8M6qo

I saw it yesterday!

There are some quite interesting scenes in it, for instance the people of Lake-town leaving their town or Azog and an army of Dol Guldur orcs.
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| July 28, 2014, 6:33 am
The Trailer comes out today! :D
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| July 28, 2014, 10:11 am
Within an hour we'll finally have the trailer!
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| July 28, 2014, 2:12 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Within an hour we'll finally have the trailer!

What? Why did no-one tell me?
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| July 28, 2014, 2:34 pm
Here it is!! :D :D :D

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152531353491558

It looks Awesome to me!
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| July 28, 2014, 3:11 pm
Quoting Benaiah Newhall
Here it is!! :D :D :D

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152531353491558

It looks Awesome to me!

Heck yes! I am so excited!
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| July 28, 2014, 3:47 pm
The trailer is a bit over-rated. It wasn't that good, it was mostly cinematics, really doesn't say anything about the actual plot.
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| July 28, 2014, 5:22 pm
Quoting Joe McGill
The trailer is a bit over-rated. It wasn't that good, it was mostly cinematics, really doesn't say anything about the actual plot.

Agreed! I bet Peter wants it all to come to as a surprise to non book readers
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| July 28, 2014, 5:24 pm
Quoting Sean-Thomas Mahoney
Agreed! I bet Peter wants it all to come to as a surprise to non book readers

Ahh, good point.
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| July 28, 2014, 5:38 pm
Quoting Benaiah Newhall
Did you guys see the new Trailer to the Trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF7B-K8M6qo

Thank You! I've been waiting forever!
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| July 28, 2014, 5:42 pm
Quoting Joe McGill
The trailer is a bit over-rated. It wasn't that good, it was mostly cinematics, really doesn't say anything about the actual plot.

That sounds like a good trailer to me. Lots of cinematic effects that doesn't reveal any spoilers. It's a TEASER. It's not supposed to reveal a lot. ;)

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| July 28, 2014, 5:50 pm
The trailers was awesome! Definitely worth the wait! Did anyone notice the war rams? Even though I'm still unsure about this whole mounted-dwarf thingy, the rams are much better than the boars, IMHO.
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| July 29, 2014, 12:34 am
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Quoting Mark McPeek
The trailers was awesome! Definitely worth the wait! Did anyone notice the war rams? Even though I'm still unsure about this whole mounted-dwarf thingy, the rams are much better than the boars, IMHO.

I think the the war-rams look great. And it is realistic, too. (I mean the dwarves live in the mountains, so why shouldn't they have rams)

Somehow they remind me of the rams in LOTRO.
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| July 29, 2014, 5:56 am
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Quoting Joe McGill
The trailer is a bit over-rated. It wasn't that good, it was mostly cinematics, really doesn't say anything about the actual plot.

Yes, I wasn't so excited about it, too. Well, at least we got to see all 5 armies and the war-rams.
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| July 29, 2014, 5:58 am
Quoting Toa Infernum
That sounds like a good trailer to me. Lots of cinematic effects that doesn't reveal any spoilers. It's a TEASER. It's not supposed to reveal a lot. ;)

I second this! It sure got me excited about the movie, which is really e whole point.
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| July 31, 2014, 6:37 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I think the the war-rams look great. And it is realistic, too. (I mean the dwarves live in the mountains, so why shouldn't they have rams)

Somehow they remind me of the rams in LOTRO.

I'll be honest, I was somewhat disappointed with this trailer; it didn't seem to have the epicness that the other trailers had. Although there were some good parts.

I liked Pippin's song played throughout, that was cool.

When Bard walks toward the ranks of Elves and they turn to the side to let him walk through, awesome.

The War rams. Eh. To me, riding boars would have been cooler than goats but whatever.
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| July 31, 2014, 9:42 am
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Quoting Evan Botkin
I'll be honest, I was somewhat disappointed with this trailer; it didn't seem to have the epicness that the other trailers had. Although there were some good parts.

So true. I can still remember the epicness of the very first Hobbit trailer. I was so excited that the Middle-Earth journey would finally continue after a break of 10 years. After I watched it I wasn't all that excited anymore. Maybe I expected too much. As for the second movie I didn't even expect it to be as epic as LOTR anymore.

But now... Even the trailer isn't really epic.
I hope that isn't a bad sign.
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| July 31, 2014, 11:57 am
Me too
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| July 31, 2014, 2:37 pm
Quoting Evan Botkin
I'll be honest, I was somewhat disappointed with this trailer; it didn't seem to have the epicness that the other trailers had. Although there were some good parts.

The reason it wasn't as epic is because it is a teaser. Also the movie is centered around one huge battle, which will be extremely epic! I think the film makers just want to surprise us when the film comes out.
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| July 31, 2014, 2:47 pm
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Quoting Thomas B.
Quoting Evan Botkin
I'll be honest, I was somewhat disappointed with this trailer; it didn't seem to have the epicness that the other trailers had. Although there were some good parts.

The reason it wasn't as epic is because it is a teaser. Also the movie is centered around one huge battle, which will be extremely epic! I think the film makers just want to surprise us when the film comes out.

Yes, that may also be a reason why it wasn't that epic. And I remember them doing the same thing with Smaug. They didn't reveal much of him at all.
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| August 1, 2014, 5:24 am
Quoting Thomas B.
Quoting Evan Botkin
I'll be honest, I was somewhat disappointed with this trailer; it didn't seem to have the epicness that the other trailers had. Although there were some good parts.

The reason it wasn't as epic is because it is a teaser. Also the movie is centered around one huge battle, which will be extremely epic! I think the film makers just want to surprise us when the film comes out.

Eh. I watched it a second time but my view isn't changed much. I still think it could have been better but I guess my expectations for this movie were already low. I still hope it will be a great movie but I'm not so sure.
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| August 2, 2014, 6:08 pm
To me, BOFA looks much more promising than the DOS. I was extremely disappointed in the DOS. Of course, Peter still has the love triangle going on, so that will be hard to clear up, but it looks much better nonetheless. I might go and see it in theaters.
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| August 2, 2014, 8:42 pm
Much better than the DoS trailer IMO. That one was very dissapointing to me. :/
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| August 2, 2014, 9:25 pm
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Except for Azog, AUJ was the closest to the book so far. The first scenes until they leave Bag End are a true masterpiece. Too bad they didn't continue like that.
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| August 3, 2014, 9:34 am
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I must say, I disagree with much of what has been said.

I thought the trailer is the best done of them all. It had a lot of cinematics, gave a nice shot of nostalgia with Pippin's song, showed us how the four dwarves are getting to the mountain, and best of all, showed GALADRIEL in DOL GULDUR. Quite frankly, I am very exited, and very pleased with the trailer.

~Mark
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| August 4, 2014, 10:18 pm
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Except for Azog, AUJ was the closest to the book so far. The first scenes until they leave Bag End are a true masterpiece. Too bad they didn't continue like that.

The problem with AUJ was not that it had a huge load of problems. (It didn't) There aren't that many, but the only 3 really big ones all come at the end so it seems bad once you have finished it.

DOS had a ton of problems, (55 or so, yes I counted)but they are better spread throughout the movie so it seems like a better movie because of it.

The point being, AUJ is more accurate overall.
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| August 4, 2014, 10:21 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
I must say, I disagree with much of what has been said.

I thought the trailer is the best done of them all. It had a lot of cinematics, gave a nice shot of nostalgia with Pippin's song, showed us how the four dwarves are getting to the mountain, and best of all, showed GALADRIEL in DOL GULDUR. Quite frankly, I am very exited, and very pleased with the trailer.

~Mark

Pippin's song was great, no doubt about that. The Dwarves in armor was great. Bard and the Elves was great. But to me, those were the only really good things about the trailer. Galadriel in Dol Guldur, great. But kissing what appears to be Gandalf's dead body? Really?!?
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| August 4, 2014, 10:23 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
The problem with AUJ was not that it had a huge load of problems. (It didn't) There aren't that many, but the only 3 really big ones all come at the end so it seems bad once you have finished it.

DOS had a ton of problems, (55 or so, yes I counted)but they are better spread throughout the movie so it seems like a better movie because of it.

The point being, AUJ is more accurate overall.

AUJ is the best of the Hobbit films. It was most accurate to the book and had more or less the general feel of the book that makes it my favorite.

DOS was good as a movie, but not as a rendition of the book. Although Benedict Cumberbatch is the best Smaug, I don't think anyone else could do that part better than him.
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| August 4, 2014, 10:27 pm
Quoting Evan Botkin
AUJ is the best of the Hobbit films. It was most accurate to the book and had more or less the general feel of the book that makes it my favorite.

DOS was good as a movie, but not as a rendition of the book. Although Benedict Cumberbatch is the best Smaug, I don't think anyone else could do that part better than him.

I agree. When i first watched AUJ i thought it really far off from the book. But now i watch DOS and AUJ seems exactly like the book
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| August 4, 2014, 10:30 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
The problem with AUJ was not that it had a huge load of problems. (It didn't) There aren't that many, but the only 3 really big ones all come at the end so it seems bad once you have finished it.

DOS had a ton of problems, (55 or so, yes I counted)but they are better spread throughout the movie so it seems like a better movie because of it.

The point being, AUJ is more accurate overall.

Yeah, DOS had TONS of problems. They could have done much better. The only scene of DOS that is really perfect to me is the one at Beorn's House.

What do you think are the three big problems of AUJ? Let me guess:

The Great Goblin and a few things about Out of the Frying Pan into the Fire? (They really ruined this great scene in my opinion)
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| August 5, 2014, 6:06 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Yeah, DOS had TONS of problems. They could have done much better. The only scene of DOS that is really perfect to me is the one at Beorn's House.

What do you think are the three big problems of AUJ? Let me guess:

The Great Goblin and a few things about Out of the Frying Pan into the Fire? (They really ruined this great scene in my opinion)

There are three large things wrong with AUJ.

1. Goblin town. Goblin town was a cinematic mayhem with computers galore. It was crazy, unrealistic and completely wrong because they are only supposed to fight Goblins twice in the book, and they are running through dark, crowded caves, not well lit scaffolds. I actually liked the Goblin King, the book says he was an immense Goblin, I saw nothing wrong with him. (And by the way, Glamdring and Orcrist did not glow that entire time)

2. Out of the Frying Pan and...Oh what the heck, you all know the rest.
This scene was awful. From the Wargs knocking over trees, making them dominoes, to Thorin fighting Azog at the end, when I first saw this movie I was shaking my head in depression. It's supposed to be a glade, which means no cliff. The whole point of the company climbing trees was that the wargs couldn't climb them. If the wargs can just knock them down there is no point in climbing them in the first place. I could go on about the atrocities of this scene, but I think you get the picture.

3. The last problem comes immediately after Frying-Pan-Domino-Fire, Oh wait, it doesn't. This wasn't a scene that was done badly, it was a scene that wasn't done at all. The eagles went straight to the carrock. I realize why they didn't, so please don't try to explain to me why, the point is that this was the scene that I was most looking forward to and it was the one scene that was completely left out. It is not even in the extended version.

There you are. The 3 big problems with AUJ. Like I said, they all occur at the end, which is why it feels bad when you are finished. I was legitimately angry when I left the Theater because of these.

On that pleasant note, I leave you. :)

~Mark
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| August 5, 2014, 11:39 am
Quoting Mark Murphy
There are three large things wrong with AUJ.

1. Goblin town. Goblin town was a cinematic mayhem with computers galore. It was crazy, unrealistic and completely wrong because they are only supposed to fight Goblins twice in the book, and they are running through dark, crowded caves, not well lit scaffolds. I actually liked the Goblin King, the book says he was an immense Goblin, I saw nothing wrong with him. (And by the way, Glamdring and Orcrist did not glow that entire time)

2. Out of the Frying Pan and...Oh what the heck, you all know the rest.
This scene was awful. From the Wargs knocking over trees, making them dominoes, to Thorin fighting Azog at the end, when I first saw this movie I was shaking my head in depression. It's supposed to be a glade, which means no cliff. The whole point of the company climbing trees was that the wargs couldn't climb them. If the wargs can just knock them down there is no point in climbing them in the first place. I could go on about the atrocities of this scene, but I think you get the picture.

3. The last problem comes immediately after Frying-Pan-Domino-Fire, Oh wait, it doesn't. This wasn't a scene that was done badly, it was a scene that wasn't done at all. The eagles went straight to the carrock. I realize why they didn't, so please don't try to explain to me why, the point is that this was the scene that I was most looking forward to and it was the one scene that was completely left out. It is not even in the extended version.

There you are. The 3 big problems with AUJ. Like I said, they all occur at the end, which is why it feels bad when you are finished. I was legitimately angry when I left the Theater because of these.

On that pleasant note, I leave you. :)

~Mark

Wow! Thanks for writing all that, I totally agree!
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| August 5, 2014, 11:43 am
Quoting Evan Botkin
AUJ is the best of the Hobbit films. It was most accurate to the book and had more or less the general feel of the book that makes it my favorite.

DOS was good as a movie, but not as a rendition of the book. Although Benedict Cumberbatch is the best Smaug, I don't think anyone else could do that part better than him.

Of course, only two have come out. :P

Benedict Cumberbatch is the best Smaug. But my least favorite part in DOS was the Erebor chase scene. What's with the big golden dwarf?! So unrealistic! Even the love thing doesn't bother me half as much as the Erebor chase scene. Way too much like a video game. And the fact that Smaug was able to shake off all that burning gold liquid and fly away?!

But I'm looking forward to the last one, which looks much better than the second. To me it seems much more book based.

Some director still has yet to make a Hobbit film that's better than the old cartoon.
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| August 5, 2014, 12:06 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
I must say, I disagree with much of what has been said.

I thought the trailer is the best done of them all. It had a lot of cinematics, gave a nice shot of nostalgia with Pippin's song, showed us how the four dwarves are getting to the mountain, and best of all, showed GALADRIEL in DOL GULDUR. Quite frankly, I am very exited, and very pleased with the trailer.

~Mark

I agree! People seem to be looking for awesomeness and excitement in the TEASER trailer.
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| August 5, 2014, 1:03 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
There are three large things wrong with AUJ.

1. Goblin town. Goblin town was a cinematic mayhem with computers galore. It was crazy, unrealistic and completely wrong because they are only supposed to fight Goblins twice in the book, and they are running through dark, crowded caves, not well lit scaffolds. I actually liked the Goblin King, the book says he was an immense Goblin, I saw nothing wrong with him. (And by the way, Glamdring and Orcrist did not glow that entire time)

2. Out of the Frying Pan and...Oh what the heck, you all know the rest.
This scene was awful. From the Wargs knocking over trees, making them dominoes, to Thorin fighting Azog at the end, when I first saw this movie I was shaking my head in depression. It's supposed to be a glade, which means no cliff. The whole point of the company climbing trees was that the wargs couldn't climb them. If the wargs can just knock them down there is no point in climbing them in the first place. I could go on about the atrocities of this scene, but I think you get the picture.

3. The last problem comes immediately after Frying-Pan-Domino-Fire, Oh wait, it doesn't. This wasn't a scene that was done badly, it was a scene that wasn't done at all. The eagles went straight to the carrock. I realize why they didn't, so please don't try to explain to me why, the point is that this was the scene that I was most looking forward to and it was the one scene that was completely left out. It is not even in the extended version.

There you are. The 3 big problems with AUJ. Like I said, they all occur at the end, which is why it feels bad when you are finished. I was legitimately angry when I left the Theater because of these.

On that pleasant note, I leave you. :)

~Mark

I agree with you on those last two but Goblin town, to me, was executed well enough. It's not really how I imagined it in the book but it is an enjoyable scene to me. The great goblin though, was total j*nk. he's supposed to be huge, like Azog in the films but instead he's just f*t....
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| August 5, 2014, 1:20 pm
Quoting Thomas B.
I agree! People seem to be looking for awesomeness and excitement in the TEASER trailer.

Watch the first trailer for DOS. It was done way better than this teaser. We don't see many deviations from the book in the trailer for DOS but we see some of the fleshing out of the story, plenty of action and excitement there, it makes people want to the movie to come out sooner.

Honestly if I wasn't such a big Tolkien fan, I don't know if I would watch BOFA based on the teaser :/
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| August 5, 2014, 1:22 pm
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Quoting Evan Botkin
I agree with you on those last two but Goblin town, to me, was executed well enough. It's not really how I imagined it in the book but it is an enjoyable scene to me. The great goblin though, was total j*nk. he's supposed to be huge, like Azog in the films but instead he's just f*t....

It wasn't how anyone imagined it because the book describes the Goblin halls as being Tunnels, not scaffolds. And the book just says huge/immense when it describes the Great Goblin. It never says if he is like Azog or fat instead, either interpretation is reasonable.
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| August 5, 2014, 6:31 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
There are three large things wrong with AUJ.

1. Goblin town. Goblin town was a cinematic mayhem with computers galore. It was crazy, unrealistic and completely wrong because they are only supposed to fight Goblins twice in the book, and they are running through dark, crowded caves, not well lit scaffolds. I actually liked the Goblin King, the book says he was an immense Goblin, I saw nothing wrong with him. (And by the way, Glamdring and Orcrist did not glow that entire time)

2. Out of the Frying Pan and...Oh what the heck, you all know the rest.
This scene was awful. From the Wargs knocking over trees, making them dominoes, to Thorin fighting Azog at the end, when I first saw this movie I was shaking my head in depression. It's supposed to be a glade, which means no cliff. The whole point of the company climbing trees was that the wargs couldn't climb them. If the wargs can just knock them down there is no point in climbing them in the first place. I could go on about the atrocities of this scene, but I think you get the picture.

3. The last problem comes immediately after Frying-Pan-Domino-Fire, Oh wait, it doesn't. This wasn't a scene that was done badly, it was a scene that wasn't done at all. The eagles went straight to the carrock. I realize why they didn't, so please don't try to explain to me why, the point is that this was the scene that I was most looking forward to and it was the one scene that was completely left out. It is not even in the extended version.

There you are. The 3 big problems with AUJ. Like I said, they all occur at the end, which is why it feels bad when you are finished. I was legitimately angry when I left the Theater because of these.

On that pleasant note, I leave you. :)

~Mark



I totally Agree with you. Thanks for writing that!
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| August 5, 2014, 7:30 pm
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Quoting Prof. B.
Of course, only two have come out. :P

Benedict Cumberbatch is the best Smaug. But my least favorite part in DOS was the Erebor chase scene. What's with the big golden dwarf?! So unrealistic! Even the love thing doesn't bother me half as much as the Erebor chase scene. Way too much like a video game. And the fact that Smaug was able to shake off all that burning gold liquid and fly away?!

But I'm looking forward to the last one, which looks much better than the second. To me it seems much more book based.

Some director still has yet to make a Hobbit film that's better than the old cartoon.

I agree. The cartoon movie was very short and the animations could have been better, but it had an aspect that wasn't there at all in the new Hobbit movies.

It had the magic fairy-tale-like athmosphere of the book. That was the thing I actually loved most about the Hobbit book, it doesn't follow any rules, it's just a fantastic story. When you are tired of the world outside you can just open the Hobbit and forget it for a few hours.
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| August 6, 2014, 7:59 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I agree. The cartoon movie was very short and the animations could have been better, but it had an aspect that wasn't there at all in the new Hobbit movies.

It had the magic fairy-tale-like athmosphere of the book. That was the thing I actually loved most about the Hobbit book, it doesn't follow any rules, it's just a fantastic story. When you are tired of the world outside you can just open the Hobbit and forget it for a few hours.

Yes! I agree with everything you just said. That's why AUJ is the best of the live films to me as well, it is closest to achieving the 'fairy-tale' aspect that the book had. The cartoon had its fair share of problems, but it is superior to the PJ Hobbit films for sure.
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| August 6, 2014, 8:59 am
I'm gonna play devils advocate here, and say I actually did not picture the Hobbit being fairy-taley at all when I read it. In fact, I actually imagined most of it slightly darker than what we got in the movies...or at least more serious (basically at the level of Lord of the Rings). So personally, I'm glad PJ attempted to make it so (perhaps not always in the best ways) but I appreciate his effort
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| August 7, 2014, 12:54 am
Quoting Nick Doyle
I'm gonna play devils advocate here, and say I actually did not picture the Hobbit being fairy-taley at all when I read it. In fact, I actually imagined most of it slightly darker than what we got in the movies...or at least more serious (basically at the level of Lord of the Rings). So personally, I'm glad PJ attempted to make it so (perhaps not always in the best ways) but I appreciate his effort

I never imagined it to be quite so dark but the biggest problem to me with the Hobbit films is that they're really dark but PJ tries to lighten them up with ridiculous characters and over the top humor (all of Bombur's scenes, Radagast, half of the Dwarves, the Great Goblin etc).
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| August 7, 2014, 10:59 am
Quoting Mark Murphy
I must say, I disagree with much of what has been said.

I thought the trailer is the best done of them all. It had a lot of cinematics, gave a nice shot of nostalgia with Pippin's song, showed us how the four dwarves are getting to the mountain, and best of all, showed GALADRIEL in DOL GULDUR. Quite frankly, I am very exited, and very pleased with the trailer.

~Mark


I totally agree with all your points, Mark. AUJ was the closest to the book and my favorite (so far). DoS was an awesome movie. Unfortunately, it wasn't very accurate to the book.

Anyways, the teaser has me pumped up for December! Those Elven archers look amazing!

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| August 8, 2014, 12:03 am
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Quoting Mark McPeek

I totally agree with all your points, Mark. AUJ was the closest to the book and my favorite (so far). DoS was an awesome movie. Unfortunately, it wasn't very accurate to the book.

Anyways, the teaser has me pumped up for December! Those Elven archers look amazing!

I can't wait either!

I hope they won't do too large changes though like the wrong people killing each other in the Battle of the Five Armies or that Smaug will survive the attack on Lake-town. Also there is still the love-triangle.
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| August 8, 2014, 6:48 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I can't wait either!

I hope they won't do too large changes though like the wrong people killing each other in the Battle of the Five Armies or that Smaug will survive the attack on Lake-town. Also there is still the love-triangle.

Yeah, the love triangle has been my least favorite part of the 5 ME movies so far. I can't stand it, mainly because it's just so wrong.

I'm hoping that if PJ makes deviations, he does it in the battle. Bilbo is unconscious for most of the battle in the book, so he has a lot of free reign to do as he pleases. Still, like you, I hope the deaths all work out as they did in the book.

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| August 8, 2014, 1:48 pm
I agree with joe mcgill. It looked cool, but it doesn't tell you the plot
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| August 8, 2014, 7:36 pm
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Quoting Mark McPeek

I totally agree with all your points, Mark. AUJ was the closest to the book and my favorite (so far). DoS was an awesome movie. Unfortunately, it wasn't very accurate to the book.

Anyways, the teaser has me pumped up for December! Those Elven archers look amazing!

Thanks Mark, I appreciate it.

By the way, I think you have a fantastic name.
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| August 9, 2014, 6:42 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
I'm gonna play devils advocate here, and say I actually did not picture the Hobbit being fairy-taley at all when I read it. In fact, I actually imagined most of it slightly darker than what we got in the movies...or at least more serious (basically at the level of Lord of the Rings). So personally, I'm glad PJ attempted to make it so (perhaps not always in the best ways) but I appreciate his effort


Ya, I agree with you. That's how I read it too.
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| August 9, 2014, 9:31 pm
I think the trailer was good. But why the song from ROTK all i see from that is Peters trying to push it being to much like LOTR. And because of that the movies where ruined. I'm not saying make exactly like the book. I like how it seems more dark than the book. I found that as an improvement. But i'm saying WHY AZOG AND BOLG. They didn't need to add Bolg so soon. He comes at The Battle Of Five Armies. Not when they go down the river in barrels. And i'm not even going to go on about that scene. I know this is going to surprise you but i dont mind the Kili Tauriel love thing. Peter could have done worse like make it Thorin instead of Kili. I must say I am very disappointed with Peters vision of the hobbit movies. And i really hope he doesn't mess up BOFA.
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| August 9, 2014, 9:54 pm
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Quoting Benaiah Newhall

Ya, I agree with you. That's how I read it too.

Really? Well, that's interesting.
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| August 10, 2014, 7:10 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Really? Well, that's interesting.


I read The Hobbit After I read Lotr, so maybe that's why.
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| August 10, 2014, 2:56 pm
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Quoting Sean-Thomas Mahoney
I think the trailer was good. But why the song from ROTK all i see from that is Peters trying to push it being to much like LOTR. And because of that the movies where ruined. I'm not saying make exactly like the book. I like how it seems more dark than the book. I found that as an improvement. But i'm saying WHY AZOG AND BOLG. They didn't need to add Bolg so soon. He comes at The Battle Of Five Armies. Not when they go down the river in barrels. And i'm not even going to go on about that scene. I know this is going to surprise you but i dont mind the Kili Tauriel love thing. Peter could have done worse like make it Thorin instead of Kili. I must say I am very disappointed with Peters vision of the hobbit movies. And i really hope he doesn't mess up BOFA.

I hope when BOFA is out everything will be good again. (Though I don't expect this at all after the two movies I saw)

Maybe they added Bolg so early because they wanted him to be a main enemy not just a random elite orc that appears in the battle and kills Thorin only to be killed by Beorn at the end.
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| August 10, 2014, 3:12 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
Thanks Mark, I appreciate it.

By the way, I think you have a fantastic name.

Thanks, Mark! Your name is fantastic too! :)
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| August 10, 2014, 4:54 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I hope when BOFA is out everything will be good again. (Though I don't expect this at all after the two movies I saw)

Maybe they added Bolg so early because they wanted him to be a main enemy not just a random elite orc that appears in the battle and kills Thorin only to be killed by Beorn at the end.

HE wss just a little to dramatized
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| August 10, 2014, 4:58 pm
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Thorins helmet/crown was way to big...
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| August 10, 2014, 8:46 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I hope when BOFA is out everything will be good again. (Though I don't expect this at all after the two movies I saw)

Maybe they added Bolg so early because they wanted him to be a main enemy not just a random elite orc that appears in the battle and kills Thorin only to be killed by Beorn at the end.
Personally, I haven't been disappointed with anything Peter Jackson has done so far. I think that if he had just followed the book and didn't embellish things a little, the movies would be very boring, and drawn out. Just my two cents.
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| August 10, 2014, 8:57 pm
Quoting Graham Gidman
Quoting Michael Kringe
I hope when BOFA is out everything will be good again. (Though I don't expect this at all after the two movies I saw)

Maybe they added Bolg so early because they wanted him to be a main enemy not just a random elite orc that appears in the battle and kills Thorin only to be killed by Beorn at the end.
Personally, I haven't been disappointed with anything Peter Jackson has done so far. I think that if he had just followed the book and didn't embellish things a little, the movies would be very boring, and drawn out. Just my two cents.

Good point, Graham, although I think a few things were unnecessary. Like I said, I just enjoy them and read the books when I want the "pure" version.


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| August 11, 2014, 12:05 am
Quoting Mark McPeek
Good point, Graham, although I think a few things were unnecessary. Like I said, I just enjoy them and read the books when I want the "pure" version.

I agree. The movies certainly aren't perfect, but I've given up on hoping that they will be. They're still good movies, and I enjoy them wholeheartedly. The one thing I absolutely can NOT stand is the whole Tauriel-Kili thing. Everything else? I'm fine with it. Just like Mark said, when I want the book-accurate version, I read the book.
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| August 11, 2014, 10:24 am
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Quoting Mark McPeek
Thanks, Mark! Your name is fantastic too! :)

Oh, but there is something about your first name that I simply adore. I can't put my finger on it though...XD
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| August 11, 2014, 12:16 pm
Quoting Graham Gidman
Quoting Michael Kringe
I hope when BOFA is out everything will be good again. (Though I don't expect this at all after the two movies I saw)

Maybe they added Bolg so early because they wanted him to be a main enemy not just a random elite orc that appears in the battle and kills Thorin only to be killed by Beorn at the end.
Personally, I haven't been disappointed with anything Peter Jackson has done so far. I think that if he had just followed the book and didn't embellish things a little, the movies would be very boring, and drawn out. Just my two cents.


Good Point
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| August 11, 2014, 12:26 pm
Quoting Kevin Moyer
I agree. The movies certainly aren't perfect, but I've given up on hoping that they will be. They're still good movies, and I enjoy them wholeheartedly. The one thing I absolutely can NOT stand is the whole Tauriel-Kili thing. Everything else? I'm fine with it. Just like Mark said, when I want the book-accurate version, I read the book.

Agreed. I can't stand the Kili and Tauriel thing either. Other than that, I can live with the rest.

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| August 12, 2014, 12:19 am
Quoting Mark Murphy
Oh, but there is something about your first name that I simply adore. I can't put my finger on it though...XD

Haha! It is a pretty awesome name, isn't it? ;)
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| August 12, 2014, 12:20 am
One thing that really stands out to me, is how Kili, Fili, Oin and Bofur seem to be in a rush to get inside the mountain. I'm thinking that they may replace the ravens, and be the ones to tell Thorin Smaug has fallen. Since Bilbo was already outside in the last movie, it's obvious they won't be spending days inside the mountain, so at the same time the company might watch Smaug fall.
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| August 18, 2014, 9:53 am
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Quoting Jake Andrews
One thing that really stands out to me, is how Kili, Fili, Oin and Bofur seem to be in a rush to get inside the mountain. I'm thinking that they may replace the ravens, and be the ones to tell Thorin Smaug has fallen. Since Bilbo was already outside in the last movie, it's obvious they won't be spending days inside the mountain, so at the same time the company might watch Smaug fall.

Noooo, first the eagles don't speak and now they may replace the ravens. They can't do this!! :(
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| August 19, 2014, 6:06 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Noooo, first the eagles don't speak and now they may replace the ravens. They can't do this!! :(

I have feared that from the beginning. We can only hope otherwise.
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| August 19, 2014, 4:03 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
I have feared that from the beginning. We can only hope otherwise.

There is always hope :)

But unfortunately not much else.
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| August 19, 2014, 4:16 pm
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GUYS!!!!
So there was a sort of spoof video, (kinf of) that Peter Davison made around the 50th Anniversary of Doctor Who, and we get a small glimpse (very small. :P ) of the Dol Goldur scene! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m3kfy
Skip to about 13 minutes in for that part. :)
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| August 19, 2014, 9:40 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
I have feared that from the beginning. We can only hope otherwise.

I've had the same fears. Based on what they've done so far (Eagles not talking, thrush not talking, etc.), I think it's a safe guess the Ravens will be downplayed...unfortunately.
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| August 19, 2014, 11:47 pm
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Quoting Mark McPeek
I've had the same fears. Based on what they've done so far (Eagles not talking, thrush not talking, etc.), I think it's a safe guess the Ravens will be downplayed...unfortunately.

And even if they are there, they will most probably not speak... :(
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| August 20, 2014, 3:06 am
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