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Did you guys see the new Trailer to the Trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF7B-K8M6qo
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| July 27, 2014, 6:53 pm
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Quoting Benaiah Newhall
Did you guys see the new Trailer to the Trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF7B-K8M6qo

I saw it yesterday!

There are some quite interesting scenes in it, for instance the people of Lake-town leaving their town or Azog and an army of Dol Guldur orcs.
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| July 28, 2014, 6:33 am
The Trailer comes out today! :D
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| July 28, 2014, 10:11 am
Within an hour we'll finally have the trailer!
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| July 28, 2014, 2:12 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Within an hour we'll finally have the trailer!

What? Why did no-one tell me?
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| July 28, 2014, 2:34 pm
Here it is!! :D :D :D

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152531353491558

It looks Awesome to me!
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| July 28, 2014, 3:11 pm
Quoting Benaiah Newhall
Here it is!! :D :D :D

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152531353491558

It looks Awesome to me!

Heck yes! I am so excited!
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| July 28, 2014, 3:47 pm
The trailer is a bit over-rated. It wasn't that good, it was mostly cinematics, really doesn't say anything about the actual plot.
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| July 28, 2014, 5:22 pm
Quoting Joe McGill
The trailer is a bit over-rated. It wasn't that good, it was mostly cinematics, really doesn't say anything about the actual plot.

Agreed! I bet Peter wants it all to come to as a surprise to non book readers
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| July 28, 2014, 5:24 pm
Quoting Sean-Thomas Mahoney
Agreed! I bet Peter wants it all to come to as a surprise to non book readers

Ahh, good point.
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| July 28, 2014, 5:38 pm
Quoting Benaiah Newhall
Did you guys see the new Trailer to the Trailer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF7B-K8M6qo

Thank You! I've been waiting forever!
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| July 28, 2014, 5:42 pm
Quoting Joe McGill
The trailer is a bit over-rated. It wasn't that good, it was mostly cinematics, really doesn't say anything about the actual plot.

That sounds like a good trailer to me. Lots of cinematic effects that doesn't reveal any spoilers. It's a TEASER. It's not supposed to reveal a lot. ;)

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| July 28, 2014, 5:50 pm
The trailers was awesome! Definitely worth the wait! Did anyone notice the war rams? Even though I'm still unsure about this whole mounted-dwarf thingy, the rams are much better than the boars, IMHO.
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| July 29, 2014, 12:34 am
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Quoting Mark McPeek
The trailers was awesome! Definitely worth the wait! Did anyone notice the war rams? Even though I'm still unsure about this whole mounted-dwarf thingy, the rams are much better than the boars, IMHO.

I think the the war-rams look great. And it is realistic, too. (I mean the dwarves live in the mountains, so why shouldn't they have rams)

Somehow they remind me of the rams in LOTRO.
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| July 29, 2014, 5:56 am
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Quoting Joe McGill
The trailer is a bit over-rated. It wasn't that good, it was mostly cinematics, really doesn't say anything about the actual plot.

Yes, I wasn't so excited about it, too. Well, at least we got to see all 5 armies and the war-rams.
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| July 29, 2014, 5:58 am
Quoting Toa Infernum
That sounds like a good trailer to me. Lots of cinematic effects that doesn't reveal any spoilers. It's a TEASER. It's not supposed to reveal a lot. ;)

I second this! It sure got me excited about the movie, which is really e whole point.
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| July 31, 2014, 6:37 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I think the the war-rams look great. And it is realistic, too. (I mean the dwarves live in the mountains, so why shouldn't they have rams)

Somehow they remind me of the rams in LOTRO.

I'll be honest, I was somewhat disappointed with this trailer; it didn't seem to have the epicness that the other trailers had. Although there were some good parts.

I liked Pippin's song played throughout, that was cool.

When Bard walks toward the ranks of Elves and they turn to the side to let him walk through, awesome.

The War rams. Eh. To me, riding boars would have been cooler than goats but whatever.
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| July 31, 2014, 9:42 am
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Quoting Evan Botkin
I'll be honest, I was somewhat disappointed with this trailer; it didn't seem to have the epicness that the other trailers had. Although there were some good parts.

So true. I can still remember the epicness of the very first Hobbit trailer. I was so excited that the Middle-Earth journey would finally continue after a break of 10 years. After I watched it I wasn't all that excited anymore. Maybe I expected too much. As for the second movie I didn't even expect it to be as epic as LOTR anymore.

But now... Even the trailer isn't really epic.
I hope that isn't a bad sign.
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| July 31, 2014, 11:57 am
Me too
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| July 31, 2014, 2:37 pm
Quoting Evan Botkin
I'll be honest, I was somewhat disappointed with this trailer; it didn't seem to have the epicness that the other trailers had. Although there were some good parts.

The reason it wasn't as epic is because it is a teaser. Also the movie is centered around one huge battle, which will be extremely epic! I think the film makers just want to surprise us when the film comes out.
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| July 31, 2014, 2:47 pm
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Quoting Thomas B.
Quoting Evan Botkin
I'll be honest, I was somewhat disappointed with this trailer; it didn't seem to have the epicness that the other trailers had. Although there were some good parts.

The reason it wasn't as epic is because it is a teaser. Also the movie is centered around one huge battle, which will be extremely epic! I think the film makers just want to surprise us when the film comes out.

Yes, that may also be a reason why it wasn't that epic. And I remember them doing the same thing with Smaug. They didn't reveal much of him at all.
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| August 1, 2014, 5:24 am
Quoting Thomas B.
Quoting Evan Botkin
I'll be honest, I was somewhat disappointed with this trailer; it didn't seem to have the epicness that the other trailers had. Although there were some good parts.

The reason it wasn't as epic is because it is a teaser. Also the movie is centered around one huge battle, which will be extremely epic! I think the film makers just want to surprise us when the film comes out.

Eh. I watched it a second time but my view isn't changed much. I still think it could have been better but I guess my expectations for this movie were already low. I still hope it will be a great movie but I'm not so sure.
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| August 2, 2014, 6:08 pm
To me, BOFA looks much more promising than the DOS. I was extremely disappointed in the DOS. Of course, Peter still has the love triangle going on, so that will be hard to clear up, but it looks much better nonetheless. I might go and see it in theaters.
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| August 2, 2014, 8:42 pm
Much better than the DoS trailer IMO. That one was very dissapointing to me. :/
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| August 2, 2014, 9:25 pm
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Except for Azog, AUJ was the closest to the book so far. The first scenes until they leave Bag End are a true masterpiece. Too bad they didn't continue like that.
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| August 3, 2014, 9:34 am
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I must say, I disagree with much of what has been said.

I thought the trailer is the best done of them all. It had a lot of cinematics, gave a nice shot of nostalgia with Pippin's song, showed us how the four dwarves are getting to the mountain, and best of all, showed GALADRIEL in DOL GULDUR. Quite frankly, I am very exited, and very pleased with the trailer.

~Mark
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| August 4, 2014, 10:18 pm
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Except for Azog, AUJ was the closest to the book so far. The first scenes until they leave Bag End are a true masterpiece. Too bad they didn't continue like that.

The problem with AUJ was not that it had a huge load of problems. (It didn't) There aren't that many, but the only 3 really big ones all come at the end so it seems bad once you have finished it.

DOS had a ton of problems, (55 or so, yes I counted)but they are better spread throughout the movie so it seems like a better movie because of it.

The point being, AUJ is more accurate overall.
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| August 4, 2014, 10:21 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
I must say, I disagree with much of what has been said.

I thought the trailer is the best done of them all. It had a lot of cinematics, gave a nice shot of nostalgia with Pippin's song, showed us how the four dwarves are getting to the mountain, and best of all, showed GALADRIEL in DOL GULDUR. Quite frankly, I am very exited, and very pleased with the trailer.

~Mark

Pippin's song was great, no doubt about that. The Dwarves in armor was great. Bard and the Elves was great. But to me, those were the only really good things about the trailer. Galadriel in Dol Guldur, great. But kissing what appears to be Gandalf's dead body? Really?!?
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| August 4, 2014, 10:23 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
The problem with AUJ was not that it had a huge load of problems. (It didn't) There aren't that many, but the only 3 really big ones all come at the end so it seems bad once you have finished it.

DOS had a ton of problems, (55 or so, yes I counted)but they are better spread throughout the movie so it seems like a better movie because of it.

The point being, AUJ is more accurate overall.

AUJ is the best of the Hobbit films. It was most accurate to the book and had more or less the general feel of the book that makes it my favorite.

DOS was good as a movie, but not as a rendition of the book. Although Benedict Cumberbatch is the best Smaug, I don't think anyone else could do that part better than him.
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| August 4, 2014, 10:27 pm
Quoting Evan Botkin
AUJ is the best of the Hobbit films. It was most accurate to the book and had more or less the general feel of the book that makes it my favorite.

DOS was good as a movie, but not as a rendition of the book. Although Benedict Cumberbatch is the best Smaug, I don't think anyone else could do that part better than him.

I agree. When i first watched AUJ i thought it really far off from the book. But now i watch DOS and AUJ seems exactly like the book
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| August 4, 2014, 10:30 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
The problem with AUJ was not that it had a huge load of problems. (It didn't) There aren't that many, but the only 3 really big ones all come at the end so it seems bad once you have finished it.

DOS had a ton of problems, (55 or so, yes I counted)but they are better spread throughout the movie so it seems like a better movie because of it.

The point being, AUJ is more accurate overall.

Yeah, DOS had TONS of problems. They could have done much better. The only scene of DOS that is really perfect to me is the one at Beorn's House.

What do you think are the three big problems of AUJ? Let me guess:

The Great Goblin and a few things about Out of the Frying Pan into the Fire? (They really ruined this great scene in my opinion)
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| August 5, 2014, 6:06 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Yeah, DOS had TONS of problems. They could have done much better. The only scene of DOS that is really perfect to me is the one at Beorn's House.

What do you think are the three big problems of AUJ? Let me guess:

The Great Goblin and a few things about Out of the Frying Pan into the Fire? (They really ruined this great scene in my opinion)

There are three large things wrong with AUJ.

1. Goblin town. Goblin town was a cinematic mayhem with computers galore. It was crazy, unrealistic and completely wrong because they are only supposed to fight Goblins twice in the book, and they are running through dark, crowded caves, not well lit scaffolds. I actually liked the Goblin King, the book says he was an immense Goblin, I saw nothing wrong with him. (And by the way, Glamdring and Orcrist did not glow that entire time)

2. Out of the Frying Pan and...Oh what the heck, you all know the rest.
This scene was awful. From the Wargs knocking over trees, making them dominoes, to Thorin fighting Azog at the end, when I first saw this movie I was shaking my head in depression. It's supposed to be a glade, which means no cliff. The whole point of the company climbing trees was that the wargs couldn't climb them. If the wargs can just knock them down there is no point in climbing them in the first place. I could go on about the atrocities of this scene, but I think you get the picture.

3. The last problem comes immediately after Frying-Pan-Domino-Fire, Oh wait, it doesn't. This wasn't a scene that was done badly, it was a scene that wasn't done at all. The eagles went straight to the carrock. I realize why they didn't, so please don't try to explain to me why, the point is that this was the scene that I was most looking forward to and it was the one scene that was completely left out. It is not even in the extended version.

There you are. The 3 big problems with AUJ. Like I said, they all occur at the end, which is why it feels bad when you are finished. I was legitimately angry when I left the Theater because of these.

On that pleasant note, I leave you. :)

~Mark
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| August 5, 2014, 11:39 am
Quoting Mark Murphy
There are three large things wrong with AUJ.

1. Goblin town. Goblin town was a cinematic mayhem with computers galore. It was crazy, unrealistic and completely wrong because they are only supposed to fight Goblins twice in the book, and they are running through dark, crowded caves, not well lit scaffolds. I actually liked the Goblin King, the book says he was an immense Goblin, I saw nothing wrong with him. (And by the way, Glamdring and Orcrist did not glow that entire time)

2. Out of the Frying Pan and...Oh what the heck, you all know the rest.
This scene was awful. From the Wargs knocking over trees, making them dominoes, to Thorin fighting Azog at the end, when I first saw this movie I was shaking my head in depression. It's supposed to be a glade, which means no cliff. The whole point of the company climbing trees was that the wargs couldn't climb them. If the wargs can just knock them down there is no point in climbing them in the first place. I could go on about the atrocities of this scene, but I think you get the picture.

3. The last problem comes immediately after Frying-Pan-Domino-Fire, Oh wait, it doesn't. This wasn't a scene that was done badly, it was a scene that wasn't done at all. The eagles went straight to the carrock. I realize why they didn't, so please don't try to explain to me why, the point is that this was the scene that I was most looking forward to and it was the one scene that was completely left out. It is not even in the extended version.

There you are. The 3 big problems with AUJ. Like I said, they all occur at the end, which is why it feels bad when you are finished. I was legitimately angry when I left the Theater because of these.

On that pleasant note, I leave you. :)

~Mark

Wow! Thanks for writing all that, I totally agree!
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| August 5, 2014, 11:43 am
Quoting Evan Botkin
AUJ is the best of the Hobbit films. It was most accurate to the book and had more or less the general feel of the book that makes it my favorite.

DOS was good as a movie, but not as a rendition of the book. Although Benedict Cumberbatch is the best Smaug, I don't think anyone else could do that part better than him.

Of course, only two have come out. :P

Benedict Cumberbatch is the best Smaug. But my least favorite part in DOS was the Erebor chase scene. What's with the big golden dwarf?! So unrealistic! Even the love thing doesn't bother me half as much as the Erebor chase scene. Way too much like a video game. And the fact that Smaug was able to shake off all that burning gold liquid and fly away?!

But I'm looking forward to the last one, which looks much better than the second. To me it seems much more book based.

Some director still has yet to make a Hobbit film that's better than the old cartoon.
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| August 5, 2014, 12:06 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
I must say, I disagree with much of what has been said.

I thought the trailer is the best done of them all. It had a lot of cinematics, gave a nice shot of nostalgia with Pippin's song, showed us how the four dwarves are getting to the mountain, and best of all, showed GALADRIEL in DOL GULDUR. Quite frankly, I am very exited, and very pleased with the trailer.

~Mark

I agree! People seem to be looking for awesomeness and excitement in the TEASER trailer.
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| August 5, 2014, 1:03 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
There are three large things wrong with AUJ.

1. Goblin town. Goblin town was a cinematic mayhem with computers galore. It was crazy, unrealistic and completely wrong because they are only supposed to fight Goblins twice in the book, and they are running through dark, crowded caves, not well lit scaffolds. I actually liked the Goblin King, the book says he was an immense Goblin, I saw nothing wrong with him. (And by the way, Glamdring and Orcrist did not glow that entire time)

2. Out of the Frying Pan and...Oh what the heck, you all know the rest.
This scene was awful. From the Wargs knocking over trees, making them dominoes, to Thorin fighting Azog at the end, when I first saw this movie I was shaking my head in depression. It's supposed to be a glade, which means no cliff. The whole point of the company climbing trees was that the wargs couldn't climb them. If the wargs can just knock them down there is no point in climbing them in the first place. I could go on about the atrocities of this scene, but I think you get the picture.

3. The last problem comes immediately after Frying-Pan-Domino-Fire, Oh wait, it doesn't. This wasn't a scene that was done badly, it was a scene that wasn't done at all. The eagles went straight to the carrock. I realize why they didn't, so please don't try to explain to me why, the point is that this was the scene that I was most looking forward to and it was the one scene that was completely left out. It is not even in the extended version.

There you are. The 3 big problems with AUJ. Like I said, they all occur at the end, which is why it feels bad when you are finished. I was legitimately angry when I left the Theater because of these.

On that pleasant note, I leave you. :)

~Mark

I agree with you on those last two but Goblin town, to me, was executed well enough. It's not really how I imagined it in the book but it is an enjoyable scene to me. The great goblin though, was total j*nk. he's supposed to be huge, like Azog in the films but instead he's just f*t....
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| August 5, 2014, 1:20 pm
Quoting Thomas B.
I agree! People seem to be looking for awesomeness and excitement in the TEASER trailer.

Watch the first trailer for DOS. It was done way better than this teaser. We don't see many deviations from the book in the trailer for DOS but we see some of the fleshing out of the story, plenty of action and excitement there, it makes people want to the movie to come out sooner.

Honestly if I wasn't such a big Tolkien fan, I don't know if I would watch BOFA based on the teaser :/
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| August 5, 2014, 1:22 pm
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Quoting Evan Botkin
I agree with you on those last two but Goblin town, to me, was executed well enough. It's not really how I imagined it in the book but it is an enjoyable scene to me. The great goblin though, was total j*nk. he's supposed to be huge, like Azog in the films but instead he's just f*t....

It wasn't how anyone imagined it because the book describes the Goblin halls as being Tunnels, not scaffolds. And the book just says huge/immense when it describes the Great Goblin. It never says if he is like Azog or fat instead, either interpretation is reasonable.
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| August 5, 2014, 6:31 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
There are three large things wrong with AUJ.

1. Goblin town. Goblin town was a cinematic mayhem with computers galore. It was crazy, unrealistic and completely wrong because they are only supposed to fight Goblins twice in the book, and they are running through dark, crowded caves, not well lit scaffolds. I actually liked the Goblin King, the book says he was an immense Goblin, I saw nothing wrong with him. (And by the way, Glamdring and Orcrist did not glow that entire time)

2. Out of the Frying Pan and...Oh what the heck, you all know the rest.
This scene was awful. From the Wargs knocking over trees, making them dominoes, to Thorin fighting Azog at the end, when I first saw this movie I was shaking my head in depression. It's supposed to be a glade, which means no cliff. The whole point of the company climbing trees was that the wargs couldn't climb them. If the wargs can just knock them down there is no point in climbing them in the first place. I could go on about the atrocities of this scene, but I think you get the picture.

3. The last problem comes immediately after Frying-Pan-Domino-Fire, Oh wait, it doesn't. This wasn't a scene that was done badly, it was a scene that wasn't done at all. The eagles went straight to the carrock. I realize why they didn't, so please don't try to explain to me why, the point is that this was the scene that I was most looking forward to and it was the one scene that was completely left out. It is not even in the extended version.

There you are. The 3 big problems with AUJ. Like I said, they all occur at the end, which is why it feels bad when you are finished. I was legitimately angry when I left the Theater because of these.

On that pleasant note, I leave you. :)

~Mark



I totally Agree with you. Thanks for writing that!
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| August 5, 2014, 7:30 pm
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Quoting Prof. B.
Of course, only two have come out. :P

Benedict Cumberbatch is the best Smaug. But my least favorite part in DOS was the Erebor chase scene. What's with the big golden dwarf?! So unrealistic! Even the love thing doesn't bother me half as much as the Erebor chase scene. Way too much like a video game. And the fact that Smaug was able to shake off all that burning gold liquid and fly away?!

But I'm looking forward to the last one, which looks much better than the second. To me it seems much more book based.

Some director still has yet to make a Hobbit film that's better than the old cartoon.

I agree. The cartoon movie was very short and the animations could have been better, but it had an aspect that wasn't there at all in the new Hobbit movies.

It had the magic fairy-tale-like athmosphere of the book. That was the thing I actually loved most about the Hobbit book, it doesn't follow any rules, it's just a fantastic story. When you are tired of the world outside you can just open the Hobbit and forget it for a few hours.
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| August 6, 2014, 7:59 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I agree. The cartoon movie was very short and the animations could have been better, but it had an aspect that wasn't there at all in the new Hobbit movies.

It had the magic fairy-tale-like athmosphere of the book. That was the thing I actually loved most about the Hobbit book, it doesn't follow any rules, it's just a fantastic story. When you are tired of the world outside you can just open the Hobbit and forget it for a few hours.

Yes! I agree with everything you just said. That's why AUJ is the best of the live films to me as well, it is closest to achieving the 'fairy-tale' aspect that the book had. The cartoon had its fair share of problems, but it is superior to the PJ Hobbit films for sure.
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| August 6, 2014, 8:59 am
I'm gonna play devils advocate here, and say I actually did not picture the Hobbit being fairy-taley at all when I read it. In fact, I actually imagined most of it slightly darker than what we got in the movies...or at least more serious (basically at the level of Lord of the Rings). So personally, I'm glad PJ attempted to make it so (perhaps not always in the best ways) but I appreciate his effort
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| August 7, 2014, 12:54 am
Quoting Nick Doyle
I'm gonna play devils advocate here, and say I actually did not picture the Hobbit being fairy-taley at all when I read it. In fact, I actually imagined most of it slightly darker than what we got in the movies...or at least more serious (basically at the level of Lord of the Rings). So personally, I'm glad PJ attempted to make it so (perhaps not always in the best ways) but I appreciate his effort

I never imagined it to be quite so dark but the biggest problem to me with the Hobbit films is that they're really dark but PJ tries to lighten them up with ridiculous characters and over the top humor (all of Bombur's scenes, Radagast, half of the Dwarves, the Great Goblin etc).
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| August 7, 2014, 10:59 am
Quoting Mark Murphy
I must say, I disagree with much of what has been said.

I thought the trailer is the best done of them all. It had a lot of cinematics, gave a nice shot of nostalgia with Pippin's song, showed us how the four dwarves are getting to the mountain, and best of all, showed GALADRIEL in DOL GULDUR. Quite frankly, I am very exited, and very pleased with the trailer.

~Mark


I totally agree with all your points, Mark. AUJ was the closest to the book and my favorite (so far). DoS was an awesome movie. Unfortunately, it wasn't very accurate to the book.

Anyways, the teaser has me pumped up for December! Those Elven archers look amazing!

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| August 8, 2014, 12:03 am
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Quoting Mark McPeek

I totally agree with all your points, Mark. AUJ was the closest to the book and my favorite (so far). DoS was an awesome movie. Unfortunately, it wasn't very accurate to the book.

Anyways, the teaser has me pumped up for December! Those Elven archers look amazing!

I can't wait either!

I hope they won't do too large changes though like the wrong people killing each other in the Battle of the Five Armies or that Smaug will survive the attack on Lake-town. Also there is still the love-triangle.
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| August 8, 2014, 6:48 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I can't wait either!

I hope they won't do too large changes though like the wrong people killing each other in the Battle of the Five Armies or that Smaug will survive the attack on Lake-town. Also there is still the love-triangle.

Yeah, the love triangle has been my least favorite part of the 5 ME movies so far. I can't stand it, mainly because it's just so wrong.

I'm hoping that if PJ makes deviations, he does it in the battle. Bilbo is unconscious for most of the battle in the book, so he has a lot of free reign to do as he pleases. Still, like you, I hope the deaths all work out as they did in the book.

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| August 8, 2014, 1:48 pm
I agree with joe mcgill. It looked cool, but it doesn't tell you the plot
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| August 8, 2014, 7:36 pm
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Quoting Mark McPeek

I totally agree with all your points, Mark. AUJ was the closest to the book and my favorite (so far). DoS was an awesome movie. Unfortunately, it wasn't very accurate to the book.

Anyways, the teaser has me pumped up for December! Those Elven archers look amazing!

Thanks Mark, I appreciate it.

By the way, I think you have a fantastic name.
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| August 9, 2014, 6:42 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
I'm gonna play devils advocate here, and say I actually did not picture the Hobbit being fairy-taley at all when I read it. In fact, I actually imagined most of it slightly darker than what we got in the movies...or at least more serious (basically at the level of Lord of the Rings). So personally, I'm glad PJ attempted to make it so (perhaps not always in the best ways) but I appreciate his effort


Ya, I agree with you. That's how I read it too.
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| August 9, 2014, 9:31 pm
I think the trailer was good. But why the song from ROTK all i see from that is Peters trying to push it being to much like LOTR. And because of that the movies where ruined. I'm not saying make exactly like the book. I like how it seems more dark than the book. I found that as an improvement. But i'm saying WHY AZOG AND BOLG. They didn't need to add Bolg so soon. He comes at The Battle Of Five Armies. Not when they go down the river in barrels. And i'm not even going to go on about that scene. I know this is going to surprise you but i dont mind the Kili Tauriel love thing. Peter could have done worse like make it Thorin instead of Kili. I must say I am very disappointed with Peters vision of the hobbit movies. And i really hope he doesn't mess up BOFA.
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| August 9, 2014, 9:54 pm
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Quoting Benaiah Newhall

Ya, I agree with you. That's how I read it too.

Really? Well, that's interesting.
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| August 10, 2014, 7:10 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Really? Well, that's interesting.


I read The Hobbit After I read Lotr, so maybe that's why.
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| August 10, 2014, 2:56 pm
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Quoting Sean-Thomas Mahoney
I think the trailer was good. But why the song from ROTK all i see from that is Peters trying to push it being to much like LOTR. And because of that the movies where ruined. I'm not saying make exactly like the book. I like how it seems more dark than the book. I found that as an improvement. But i'm saying WHY AZOG AND BOLG. They didn't need to add Bolg so soon. He comes at The Battle Of Five Armies. Not when they go down the river in barrels. And i'm not even going to go on about that scene. I know this is going to surprise you but i dont mind the Kili Tauriel love thing. Peter could have done worse like make it Thorin instead of Kili. I must say I am very disappointed with Peters vision of the hobbit movies. And i really hope he doesn't mess up BOFA.

I hope when BOFA is out everything will be good again. (Though I don't expect this at all after the two movies I saw)

Maybe they added Bolg so early because they wanted him to be a main enemy not just a random elite orc that appears in the battle and kills Thorin only to be killed by Beorn at the end.
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| August 10, 2014, 3:12 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
Thanks Mark, I appreciate it.

By the way, I think you have a fantastic name.

Thanks, Mark! Your name is fantastic too! :)
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| August 10, 2014, 4:54 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I hope when BOFA is out everything will be good again. (Though I don't expect this at all after the two movies I saw)

Maybe they added Bolg so early because they wanted him to be a main enemy not just a random elite orc that appears in the battle and kills Thorin only to be killed by Beorn at the end.

HE wss just a little to dramatized
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| August 10, 2014, 4:58 pm
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Thorins helmet/crown was way to big...
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| August 10, 2014, 8:46 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I hope when BOFA is out everything will be good again. (Though I don't expect this at all after the two movies I saw)

Maybe they added Bolg so early because they wanted him to be a main enemy not just a random elite orc that appears in the battle and kills Thorin only to be killed by Beorn at the end.
Personally, I haven't been disappointed with anything Peter Jackson has done so far. I think that if he had just followed the book and didn't embellish things a little, the movies would be very boring, and drawn out. Just my two cents.
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| August 10, 2014, 8:57 pm
Quoting Graham Gidman
Quoting Michael Kringe
I hope when BOFA is out everything will be good again. (Though I don't expect this at all after the two movies I saw)

Maybe they added Bolg so early because they wanted him to be a main enemy not just a random elite orc that appears in the battle and kills Thorin only to be killed by Beorn at the end.
Personally, I haven't been disappointed with anything Peter Jackson has done so far. I think that if he had just followed the book and didn't embellish things a little, the movies would be very boring, and drawn out. Just my two cents.

Good point, Graham, although I think a few things were unnecessary. Like I said, I just enjoy them and read the books when I want the "pure" version.


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| August 11, 2014, 12:05 am
Quoting Mark McPeek
Good point, Graham, although I think a few things were unnecessary. Like I said, I just enjoy them and read the books when I want the "pure" version.

I agree. The movies certainly aren't perfect, but I've given up on hoping that they will be. They're still good movies, and I enjoy them wholeheartedly. The one thing I absolutely can NOT stand is the whole Tauriel-Kili thing. Everything else? I'm fine with it. Just like Mark said, when I want the book-accurate version, I read the book.
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| August 11, 2014, 10:24 am
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Quoting Mark McPeek
Thanks, Mark! Your name is fantastic too! :)

Oh, but there is something about your first name that I simply adore. I can't put my finger on it though...XD
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| August 11, 2014, 12:16 pm
Quoting Graham Gidman
Quoting Michael Kringe
I hope when BOFA is out everything will be good again. (Though I don't expect this at all after the two movies I saw)

Maybe they added Bolg so early because they wanted him to be a main enemy not just a random elite orc that appears in the battle and kills Thorin only to be killed by Beorn at the end.
Personally, I haven't been disappointed with anything Peter Jackson has done so far. I think that if he had just followed the book and didn't embellish things a little, the movies would be very boring, and drawn out. Just my two cents.


Good Point
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| August 11, 2014, 12:26 pm
Quoting Kevin Moyer
I agree. The movies certainly aren't perfect, but I've given up on hoping that they will be. They're still good movies, and I enjoy them wholeheartedly. The one thing I absolutely can NOT stand is the whole Tauriel-Kili thing. Everything else? I'm fine with it. Just like Mark said, when I want the book-accurate version, I read the book.

Agreed. I can't stand the Kili and Tauriel thing either. Other than that, I can live with the rest.

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| August 12, 2014, 12:19 am
Quoting Mark Murphy
Oh, but there is something about your first name that I simply adore. I can't put my finger on it though...XD

Haha! It is a pretty awesome name, isn't it? ;)
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| August 12, 2014, 12:20 am
One thing that really stands out to me, is how Kili, Fili, Oin and Bofur seem to be in a rush to get inside the mountain. I'm thinking that they may replace the ravens, and be the ones to tell Thorin Smaug has fallen. Since Bilbo was already outside in the last movie, it's obvious they won't be spending days inside the mountain, so at the same time the company might watch Smaug fall.
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| August 18, 2014, 9:53 am
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Quoting Jake Andrews
One thing that really stands out to me, is how Kili, Fili, Oin and Bofur seem to be in a rush to get inside the mountain. I'm thinking that they may replace the ravens, and be the ones to tell Thorin Smaug has fallen. Since Bilbo was already outside in the last movie, it's obvious they won't be spending days inside the mountain, so at the same time the company might watch Smaug fall.

Noooo, first the eagles don't speak and now they may replace the ravens. They can't do this!! :(
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| August 19, 2014, 6:06 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
Noooo, first the eagles don't speak and now they may replace the ravens. They can't do this!! :(

I have feared that from the beginning. We can only hope otherwise.
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| August 19, 2014, 4:03 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
I have feared that from the beginning. We can only hope otherwise.

There is always hope :)

But unfortunately not much else.
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| August 19, 2014, 4:16 pm
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GUYS!!!!
So there was a sort of spoof video, (kinf of) that Peter Davison made around the 50th Anniversary of Doctor Who, and we get a small glimpse (very small. :P ) of the Dol Goldur scene! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m3kfy
Skip to about 13 minutes in for that part. :)
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| August 19, 2014, 9:40 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
I have feared that from the beginning. We can only hope otherwise.

I've had the same fears. Based on what they've done so far (Eagles not talking, thrush not talking, etc.), I think it's a safe guess the Ravens will be downplayed...unfortunately.
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| August 19, 2014, 11:47 pm
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Quoting Mark McPeek
I've had the same fears. Based on what they've done so far (Eagles not talking, thrush not talking, etc.), I think it's a safe guess the Ravens will be downplayed...unfortunately.

And even if they are there, they will most probably not speak... :(
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| August 20, 2014, 3:06 am
Well, new trailer comes out on Nov. 6th. Pretty exited for it.

Also, EE comes out tomorrow! :D
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| November 3, 2014, 5:59 pm
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Quoting Mark McPeek
Well, new trailer comes out on Nov. 6th. Pretty exited for it.

Also, EE comes out tomorrow! :D

There's also a new HOBBIT production diary video!
So much new ME stuff, can't wait!


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| November 4, 2014, 4:53 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
There's also a new HOBBIT production diary video!
So much new ME stuff, can't wait!


Is that new production diary on the EE or online?
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| November 4, 2014, 8:18 am
Did anyone else notice the Palantír in Dol Guldur in the trailer?
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| November 4, 2014, 1:38 pm
New trailer in 3 days! :-D
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| November 4, 2014, 3:42 pm
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The Extended edition came out today! I am going to buy it in a few weeks.
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| November 4, 2014, 4:56 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
The Extended edition came out today! I am going to buy it in a few weeks.

I'm waiting for the boxed set.
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| November 4, 2014, 5:26 pm
Quoting Micah the Fire-breathing Hobbit
Did anyone else notice the Palantír in Dol Guldur in the trailer?

:[_____] Palantír?!?!?!?!?! you gota be kidding!
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| November 4, 2014, 5:27 pm
Quoting Micah the Fire-breathing Hobbit
Did anyone else notice the Palantír in Dol Guldur in the trailer?

You saw the trailer already?! Unless you're part of the Fan Fellowship contest, I don't know how that's possible.

Quoting Michael Kringe
There's also a new HOBBIT production diary video!
So much new ME stuff, can't wait!


A new blog? Where did you find it? Would you mind posting a link if you have one, please?
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| November 4, 2014, 5:33 pm
Quoting Mark Murphy
The Extended edition came out today! I am going to buy it in a few weeks.

Yup! It looks great! I've heard people saying that it's closer to the book than the theatrical cut. Looking forward to watching it!
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| November 4, 2014, 5:34 pm
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Quoting Mark McPeek
You saw the trailer already?! Unless you're part of the Fan Fellowship contest, I don't know how that's possible.

Quoting Michael Kringe
There's also a new HOBBIT production diary video!
So much new ME stuff, can't wait!


A new blog? Where did you find it? Would you mind posting a link if you have one, please?

Here you are. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZBN4QKs3M#t=44
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| November 5, 2014, 4:41 am
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Quoting Mariner 1000
Is that new production diary on the EE or online?

It's online. (The EE of DOS will be released on November 13th in Germany. :()
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| November 5, 2014, 4:43 am
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Quoting Mark McPeek
Yup! It looks great! I've heard people saying that it's closer to the book than the theatrical cut. Looking forward to watching it!
Yes, it's true. Many elements of the book, like the scenes with Beorn, Bombur falling into the river and the white deer are in the EE. They also left out the whole story around Thrain and his death.
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| November 5, 2014, 4:46 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
A new blog? Where did you find it? Would you mind posting a link if you have one, please?

Here you are. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZBN4QKs3M#t=44


Thanks for the link! It's not working here at the moment, so maybe it's just for Europe right now. :)

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| November 5, 2014, 9:40 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Quoting Mark McPeek
Yup! It looks great! I've heard people saying that it's closer to the book than the theatrical cut. Looking forward to watching it!
Yes, it's true. Many elements of the book, like the scenes with Beorn, Bombur falling into the river and the white deer are in the EE. They also left out the whole story around Thrain and his death.

Left out or put in?

I heard that there is a lot of Thrain in the EE.
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| November 5, 2014, 9:40 am
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Quoting Mark McPeek
Left out or put in?

I heard that there is a lot of Thrain in the EE.
I meant they left him out in the normal version.
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| November 5, 2014, 9:54 am
Quoting Micah the Fire-breathing Hobbit
I'm waiting for the boxed set.

Same. It will be more expensive but it will look great with my LOTR Extended edition Box set :)
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| November 5, 2014, 9:57 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Quoting Mark McPeek
Left out or put in?

I heard that there is a lot of Thrain in the EE.
I meant they left him out in the normal version.

I thought so.

I finally got the link to work. It's great! Thanks once again.
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| November 5, 2014, 10:35 am
Quoting Noric Warrenson
:[_____] Palantír?!?!?!?!?! you gota be kidding!

Yeah, Galadriel steps right next to it in the first BOTFA trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSzeFFsKEt4
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| November 5, 2014, 4:22 pm
It comes out tomorrow!:D
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| November 5, 2014, 8:28 pm
And the countdown begins! 2 hours and 30 minutes until it's released!

I'm getting a little excited, I think! :)
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| November 6, 2014, 10:30 am
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The new trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVAgTiBrrDA
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| November 6, 2014, 1:24 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
The new trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVAgTiBrrDA

It looks a little closer to the books than the DOS IMO but still different. I think it's going to be a great movie.
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| November 6, 2014, 2:00 pm
It looks like Thranduil and Tauriel get in a fight at near the end.
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| November 6, 2014, 4:51 pm
The trailer looks awesome!!!!! Yeah, I think its going to be really cool!!!
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| November 6, 2014, 7:50 pm
It also looks as if Tauriel gets thrown up against some rocks by an orc. So maybe she's going to die...
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| November 6, 2014, 10:12 pm
Quoting Mariner 1000
It also looks as if Tauriel gets thrown up against some rocks by an orc. So maybe she's going to die...

My bet is that she will die.
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| November 6, 2014, 11:17 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
The new trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVAgTiBrrDA

Now THAT, my lads, was a trailer.

That was just, epic. Not much else I can say. I think it's great that even Dwalin, who has thus far agreed with Thorin on everything in the movies, now sees what is happening to him.

And did I see some Bard action with his bow and a regular arrow? Not some Dwarven Ballista Windlance thing or whatever.

And then Saruman saying "Leave Sauron to me." Wow. Just. Wow. On the one hand I can't wait to see the new movie but on the other, I don't want the Middle-earth movies to end :'(
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| November 7, 2014, 12:19 am
Quoting Timothy Post
My bet is that she will die.

I totally agree.
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| November 7, 2014, 8:26 am
Quoting Evan Botkin
Now THAT, my lads, was a trailer.

That was just, epic. Not much else I can say. I think it's great that even Dwalin, who has thus far agreed with Thorin on everything in the movies, now sees what is happening to him.

And did I see some Bard action with his bow and a regular arrow? Not some Dwarven Ballista Windlance thing or whatever.

And then Saruman saying "Leave Sauron to me." Wow. Just. Wow. On the one hand I can't wait to see the new movie but on the other, I don't want the Middle-earth movies to end :'(

I second everything you say. But you're missing something, it looks like Tauriel dies too.
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| November 7, 2014, 8:33 am
Quoting Timothy Post
My bet is that she will die.

Good! But I doubt it. I just hope that PJ didn't decide to change the ending and save Thorin, Fili, and Kili. That, even though it would make the ending happier, would just mess it up.
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| November 7, 2014, 9:01 am
Quoting Kevin Moyer
Good! But I doubt it. I just hope that PJ didn't decide to change the ending and save Thorin, Fili, and Kili. That, even though it would make the ending happier, would just mess it up.

I think she is going to see kili die attack the orc ( The one who threw her at the wall) and the orc is going to kill her. Also when Kili is giving her something maybe that is when he is about to die, Because it looks like he isn't standing up. ( or maybe it's just because he's short)
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| November 7, 2014, 9:08 am
Quoting Timothy Post
I think she is going to see kili die attack the orc ( The one who threw her at the wall) and the orc is going to kill her. Also when Kili is giving her something maybe that is when he is about to die, Because it looks like he isn't standing up. ( or maybe it's just because he's short)
Yeah, probably something like that. Actually, I think it was Bolg that threw her against the rock.

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| November 7, 2014, 9:16 am
Quoting Timothy Post

That's definitely a possibility. I don't really know.

One other thing. Does anyone know what's with that weird Orc at 1:57? Is it some special Orc, or is it a normal one with a weird-looking face?
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| November 7, 2014, 9:17 am
New Hobbit trailer looks awesome! :D
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| November 7, 2014, 9:48 am
Quoting Mariner 1000
I second everything you say. But you're missing something, it looks like Tauriel dies too.

Yeah I wrote that comment at like, midnight so I was tired and didn't write down everything =P It does look like she might die but I don't care one way or the other if she dies or not. I just hope Thorin, Fili, and Kili die and of course Azog and Bolg and Smaug. I also hope Beorn comes into the battle. Didn't see him in the trailer at all.
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| November 7, 2014, 10:11 am
Quoting Kevin Moyer
That's definitely a possibility. I don't really know.

One other thing. Does anyone know what's with that weird Orc at 1:57? Is it some special Orc, or is it a normal one with a weird-looking face?

I would say it's a troll and orc cross breed.
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| November 7, 2014, 1:06 pm
Quoting John Smith
Quoting Timothy Post
I think she is going to see kili die attack the orc ( The one who threw her at the wall) and the orc is going to kill her. Also when Kili is giving her something maybe that is when he is about to die, Because it looks like he isn't standing up. ( or maybe it's just because he's short)
Yeah, probably something like that. Actually, I think it was Bolg that threw her against the rock.
I watched again and It does look like it's Blog.

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| November 7, 2014, 1:11 pm
Quoting Evan Botkin
Yeah I wrote that comment at like, midnight so I was tired and didn't write down everything =P It does look like she might die but I don't care one way or the other if she dies or not. I just hope Thorin, Fili, and Kili die and of course Azog and Bolg and Smaug. I also hope Beorn comes into the battle. Didn't see him in the trailer at all.

The trailer was fantastic! Best trailer I've seen, and yes, I've seen the "Age of Ultron" one. ;)

Anyways, some things I really liked were:

Saruman's line. I think you use "epic" to describe what he said.

The Nazgul in Dol Guldor. For some reason, one guy looks like a jester.

Mt. Gundabad, or at least what I think is Mt. Gundabad. The bats (which are better than I expected) came from whatever it was.

As for the large Orc/Troll guy, I'm sure that's PJ doing some MOCAP. Maybe it's just me, but it looks a lot like him.

Anyways, can't wait for December!
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| November 7, 2014, 5:49 pm
Quoting Timothy Post
Quoting John Smith
Quoting Timothy Post
I think she is going to see kili die attack the orc ( The one who threw her at the wall) and the orc is going to kill her. Also when Kili is giving her something maybe that is when he is about to die, Because it looks like he isn't standing up. ( or maybe it's just because he's short)
Yeah, probably something like that. Actually, I think it was Bolg that threw her against the rock.
I watched again and It does look like it's Blog.

Yup, it's Bolg.

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| November 7, 2014, 5:51 pm
Quoting Mark McPeek
Mt. Gundabad, or at least what I think is Mt. Gundabad. The bats (which are better than I expected) came from whatever it was.

As for the large Orc/Troll guy, I'm sure that's PJ doing some MOCAP. Maybe it's just me, but it looks a lot like him.

Mt. Gundabad! I was wondering what that tower with the bats was, but it makes total sense that it would be Mt. Gundabad. Haha, I can definitely picture PJ doing MoCap for that orc. :D
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| November 7, 2014, 8:06 pm
Yeah, I knew what that mountain thing was supposed to be, just couldn't remember the name! Nice that they got it in there. ;)

Maybe the big orc/troll is a hobgoblin...?
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| November 7, 2014, 8:14 pm
Quoting Nathan Pownell
Yeah, I knew what that mountain thing was supposed to be, just couldn't remember the name! Nice that they got it in there. ;)

Maybe the big orc/troll is a hobgoblin...?

Oh, I like that idea!

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| November 7, 2014, 9:46 pm
Quoting Mark McPeek
Oh, I like that idea!

He doesn't look that threatening- in fact I almost laughed at him at first sight! Did you notice his undersized left arm?
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| November 7, 2014, 10:02 pm
Quoting Nathan Pownell
He doesn't look that threatening- in fact I almost laughed at him at first sight! Did you notice his undersized left arm?

Yeah, reminded me of the goblin king. :P
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| November 7, 2014, 10:11 pm
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Quoting Kevin Moyer
That's definitely a possibility. I don't really know.

One other thing. Does anyone know what's with that weird Orc at 1:57? Is it some special Orc, or is it a normal one with a weird-looking face?
I have been thinking about that too.

If you look close he (or one of his race) is also at 1:37 in front of the huge war trolls and 2:14. Maybe it's not an orc, but an half-troll (troll+orc) or a smaller troll species. Tolkien also mentioned ogres, so maybe that's one of them.
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| November 8, 2014, 6:48 am
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Saruman's line is also epic!

Maybe they will show Saruman fighting against Sauron, then Sauron wins the fight and when Saruman realizes how powerful he is, he will become his servant.
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| November 8, 2014, 6:55 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Saruman's line is also epic!

Maybe they will show Saruman fighting against Sauron, then Sauron wins the fight and when Saruman realizes how powerful he is, he will become his servant.

Hmm maybe. Good theory.
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| November 8, 2014, 1:55 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
Quoting Kevin Moyer
That's definitely a possibility. I don't really know.

One other thing. Does anyone know what's with that weird Orc at 1:57? Is it some special Orc, or is it a normal one with a weird-looking face?
I have been thinking about that too.

If you look close he (or one of his race) is also at 1:37 in front of the huge war trolls and 2:14. Maybe it's not an orc, but an half-troll (troll+orc) or a smaller troll species. Tolkien also mentioned ogres, so maybe that's one of them.

That's what I thought they might be too until my brother, Jacob Syrups, suggested that it might be a hobgoblin.
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| November 8, 2014, 3:07 pm
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Another weird thing is at 1:51

Does Thranduil hit Tauriel here? Or is she defending Kili?
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| November 9, 2014, 4:25 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Another weird thing is at 1:51

Does Thranduil hit Tauriel here? Or is she defending Kili?

I'm confused about that as well. Perhaps she is defending Kiki. But there might be another less plausible reason...
In the beginning of the trailer, and throughout it, Thranduil seems to want something badly and has a lot of anger. He says that he has come to "reclaim something of mine." I assume he is talking about the Arkenstone. My thought is that Thranduil turns like Thorin, determined to get the Arkenstone, and his greed turns him dark.
Perhaps Tauriel tries to prevent Thranduil from doing something and he attacks her.

Just a possibility.
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| November 9, 2014, 11:25 am
Wow, nothing about missing post trailer discussion to make you feel left out ;)
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| November 9, 2014, 12:59 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I have been thinking about that too.

If you look close he (or one of his race) is also at 1:37 in front of the huge war trolls and 2:14. Maybe it's not an orc, but an half-troll (troll+orc) or a smaller troll species. Tolkien also mentioned ogres, so maybe that's one of them.

Hm, good thought. I think half-troll or hobgoblin is probably a good explanation of what it is.
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| November 9, 2014, 3:56 pm
All three theories make sense. I would not however be surprised if the question was'nt addressed. It would be rather Peter Jacksonesque to make a new species just to use CGI and not explain it (Like the centipede thing in DOS) personally, I would guess Half-troll because of the fact that the creature(s) in question appear to be rather Troll-like in appearance, as well as the fact that he seems to be taller than the other orcs.
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| November 9, 2014, 5:48 pm
Quoting Micah the Fire-breathing Hobbit
All three theories make sense. I would not however be surprised if the question was'nt addressed. It would be rather Peter Jacksonesque to make a new species just to use CGI and not explain it (Like the centipede thing in DOS) personally, I would guess Half-troll because of the fact that the creature(s) in question appear to be rather Troll-like in appearance, as well as the fact that he seems to be taller than the other orcs.

Centipede thing? Are you talking about that thing that Bilbo kills in Mirkwood? But I think it's most likely a young troll or maybe even a half troll. Who knows?
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| November 10, 2014, 3:57 pm
Quoting Evan Botkin
Centipede thing? Are you talking about that thing that Bilbo kills in Mirkwood? But I think it's most likely a young troll or maybe even a half troll. Who knows?


Maybe Peter Jackson... and yes I mean that thing. It is sort of like an armored centipede
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| November 10, 2014, 4:45 pm
Quoting Micah the Fire-breathing Hobbit

Maybe Peter Jackson... and yes I mean that thing. It is sort of like an armored centipede

That "thing" is a baby spider. It says that in one of the behind the scenes things.

Also, if any of you have read the article on TORN:

*spoilers*

Richard Taylor mentions in the Official Movie Guide that there will be large worms, moles, and shrews that burrow under the armies.

I seriously hope that is a mistake. I've been OK with some of the changes. A couple, especially the Tauriel/Kili thing, I really dislike, but this is just ... unspeakable.

Moles? Shrews? Worms? What is this - Star Wars?

My goodness....
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| November 10, 2014, 6:01 pm
Quoting Mark McPeek
That "thing" is a baby spider. It says that in one of the behind the scenes things.

Also, if any of you have read the article on TORN:

*spoilers*

Richard Taylor mentions in the Official Movie Guide that there will be large worms, moles, and shrews that burrow under the armies.

I seriously hope that is a mistake. I've been OK with some of the changes. A couple, especially the Tauriel/Kili thing, I really dislike, but this is just ... unspeakable.

Moles? Shrews? Worms? What is this - Star Wars?

My goodness....

I thought it was a baby spider. Also Moles and Worms? What? Wow. I too hope that is a mistake.
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| November 10, 2014, 7:48 pm
Quoting Mark McPeek
That "thing" is a baby spider. It says that in one of the behind the scenes things.

Also, if any of you have read the article on TORN:

*spoilers*

Richard Taylor mentions in the Official Movie Guide that there will be large worms, moles, and shrews that burrow under the armies.

I seriously hope that is a mistake. I've been OK with some of the changes. A couple, especially the Tauriel/Kili thing, I really dislike, but this is just ... unspeakable.

Moles? Shrews? Worms? What is this - Star Wars?

My goodness....


Moles, Shrews and worms, Now I'm really mad. As for it being a baby spider, I may be wrong but I think it had more than eight legs, and baby spiders look like small versions of adult ones.

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| November 10, 2014, 7:58 pm
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Quoting Evan Botkin
I thought it was a baby spider. Also Moles and Worms? What? Wow. I too hope that is a mistake.

NOOO, I hope that isn't true. I would say this sounds a lot like one of Guillermo del Torro's ideas, if he hadn't left the production of the movie so early...
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| November 11, 2014, 3:27 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
NOOO, I hope that isn't true. I would say this sounds a lot like one of Guillermo del Torro's ideas, if he hadn't left the production of the movie so early...

Yeah I hope so too. Maybe they put it in to 'honor' him.
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| November 11, 2014, 7:45 am
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Quoting Evan Botkin
Yeah I hope so too. Maybe they put it in to 'honor' him.

I agree. All in all I'm happy that he left, who knows what the Hobbit movies would have become with him.
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| November 12, 2014, 4:52 am
Quoting Mark McPeek
That "thing" is a baby spider. It says that in one of the behind the scenes things.

....

Richard Taylor mentions in the Official Movie Guide that there will be large worms, moles, and shrews that burrow under the armies.

Moles? Shrews? Worms? What is this - Star Wars?

My goodness....

... yikes...
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| November 13, 2014, 5:41 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I agree. All in all I'm happy that he left, who knows what the Hobbit movies would have become with him.

Not sure. Now if we could have just gotten Peter Jackson to leave XD
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| November 13, 2014, 8:02 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
NOOO, I hope that isn't true. I would say this sounds a lot like one of Guillermo del Torro's ideas, if he hadn't left the production of the movie so early...

That would make sense.... ;)

Well, I just hope whatever they do is not too wild. We'll find out in a month, I guess!
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| November 14, 2014, 12:57 am
Quoting Kevin Moyer
I agree. The movies certainly aren't perfect, but I've given up on hoping that they will be. They're still good movies, and I enjoy them wholeheartedly. The one thing I absolutely can NOT stand is the whole Tauriel-Kili thing. Everything else? I'm fine with it. Just like Mark said, when I want the book-accurate version, I read the book.


Agreed, the movies are good and the 2nd was better than the 1st in my opinion. The 3rd is looking promising. Except that weird love story we all hate to go through again. But can't wait til 12/17/14!!
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| November 16, 2014, 5:51 pm
Just saw a BOT5A commercial on TV about an hour ago. It's release is only getting closer...
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| November 16, 2014, 8:27 pm
Quoting John Smith
Just saw a BOT5A commercial on TV about an hour ago. It's release is only getting closer...

I can't wait!! :-D :-D
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| November 16, 2014, 10:27 pm
Started my cosplay yesterday.
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| November 16, 2014, 10:30 pm
Quoting Mark McPeek
That "thing" is a baby spider. It says that in one of the behind the scenes things.

Also, if any of you have read the article on TORN:

*spoilers*

Richard Taylor mentions in the Official Movie Guide that there will be large worms, moles, and shrews that burrow under the armies.

I seriously hope that is a mistake. I've been OK with some of the changes. A couple, especially the Tauriel/Kili thing, I really dislike, but this is just ... unspeakable.

Moles? Shrews? Worms? What is this - Star Wars?

My goodness....


I agree, that would be pretty bizarre. Im concerned about this new critters, and the weird new trolls. I think PJs just adding too much. The bats however look awesome and promising, and of course the warg cavalry could be menacing. I think its not a question of whether or not these creatures should exist, but more so if theyre used in good taste or not. The Mumakil are kind of weird if you think about it, but they work. As well as the giant spiders, and obviously the wargs. The Elk Thranduil rides is a bit weird, but the rams the Dwarves have work nicely enough. Radagast's rabbits are debatable, and Im still glad they didn't put in Beorns waiter-dogs that walk on their hind legs. And that thing in the forest was not a spider, but it was odd and out of place imo. A baby spider would've been 10x more effective, just saying!
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| November 17, 2014, 11:54 pm
Update: the rumors about the new, strange, creatures are false! Thank the Valar
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| November 18, 2014, 9:57 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle

I agree, that would be pretty bizarre. Im concerned about this new critters, and the weird new trolls. I think PJs just adding too much. The bats however look awesome and promising, and of course the warg cavalry could be menacing. I think its not a question of whether or not these creatures should exist, but more so if theyre used in good taste or not. The Mumakil are kind of weird if you think about it, but they work. As well as the giant spiders, and obviously the wargs. The Elk Thranduil rides is a bit weird, but the rams the Dwarves have work nicely enough. Radagast's rabbits are debatable, and Im still glad they didn't put in Beorns waiter-dogs that walk on their hind legs. And that thing in the forest was not a spider, but it was odd and out of place imo. A baby spider would've been 10x more effective, just saying!

Eh, I wish they had added more of Beorn's animals. I thought they were really cool. But thankfully those strange creatures won't be in, that's good!
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| November 18, 2014, 10:03 pm
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Quoting Nick Doyle
Update: the rumors about the new, strange, creatures are false! Thank the Valar

Phew, thanks so much for the update, Nick! This was even worse than April Fools...
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| November 19, 2014, 5:17 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
Phew, thanks so much for the update, Nick! This was even worse than April Fools...

Haha, yeah.
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| November 19, 2014, 7:13 am
Quoting Nick Doyle
Update: the rumors about the new, strange, creatures are false! Thank the Valar

Thank goodness!
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| November 19, 2014, 11:37 am
Whew. I sure hope that was wrong. Thanks for this, Nick.

Now, I hoped those rumours about Thorin committing suicide are false as well.
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| November 19, 2014, 5:57 pm
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There are also still many unanswered questions about the deaths, because PJ changed many book facts. I mean Dain didn't fight against Azog and kill him and was replaced by Thorin in the battle. Also Bolg fought against Legolas, and from the trailer we can tell that there will be a second fight between them.

Thus there are many possible endings. Either they will be loyal to the books (but sadly I think this isn't very likely) or they will mix book facts and movie interpretation.

1. Bolg kills Thorin, Dain kills Azog, Beorn kills Bolg (like in the books)
2. Thorin kills Azog, then Bolg kills Thorin and Legolas kills Bolg
3. Azog kills Thorin and is then killed by Beorn or Dain. Legolas kills Bolg.
4. Fili and Kili? Will they defend Thorin? Maybe they'll find their death by Bolg or Azog as well.
5. How does Tauriel fit in there? In the trailer we saw her fighting against Bolg. Maybe she defends Kili and kills Bolg or maybe Kili dies while defending Tauriel.
6. Thorin and Azog wound each other to death and maybe then someone else kills the wounded Azog.

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| November 20, 2014, 5:57 am
Speaking of the trailers, have you all seen the seven TV spots yet? If you've seen them, what do you think of them? If you haven't, I have links to all of them of my home page.
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| November 20, 2014, 2:48 pm
Quoting Zechariah Blake
Speaking of the trailers, have you all seen the seven TV spots yet? If you've seen them, what do you think of them? If you haven't, I have links to all of them of my home page.

Yes! Interesting stuff, there's also a video out with all footage from the film released thus far
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| November 25, 2014, 11:31 pm
Quoting Nick Doyle
Yes! Interesting stuff, there's also a video out with all footage from the film released thus far


In that video, there is a Palantír next to Galadriel's foot at 1:26.
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| November 26, 2014, 1:55 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
There are also still many unanswered questions about the deaths, because PJ changed many book facts. I mean Dain didn't fight against Azog and kill him and was replaced by Thorin in the battle. Also Bolg fought against Legolas, and from the trailer we can tell that there will be a second fight between them.

Thus there are many possible endings. Either they will be loyal to the books (but sadly I think this isn't very likely) or they will mix book facts and movie interpretation.

1. Bolg kills Thorin, Dain kills Azog, Beorn kills Bolg (like in the books)
2. Thorin kills Azog, then Bolg kills Thorin and Legolas kills Bolg
3. Azog kills Thorin and is then killed by Beorn or Dain. Legolas kills Bolg.
4. Fili and Kili? Will they defend Thorin? Maybe they'll find their death by Bolg or Azog as well.
5. How does Tauriel fit in there? In the trailer we saw her fighting against Bolg. Maybe she defends Kili and kills Bolg or maybe Kili dies while defending Tauriel.
6. Thorin and Azog wound each other to death and maybe then someone else kills the wounded Azog.

Interesting speculations. I don't think Tauriel will kill Bolg. At 2:06 in the trailer, we get a brief glimpse of somebody throwing Tauriel against a rock. To me it looks like Bolg is the second "person".
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| November 26, 2014, 9:58 pm
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Quoting Mariner 1000
Interesting speculations. I don't think Tauriel will kill Bolg. At 2:06 in the trailer, we get a brief glimpse of somebody throwing Tauriel against a rock. To me it looks like Bolg is the second "person".

Yes, I think that's the least probable combination. I also don't think that the book version will happen in the movie, too...
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| November 27, 2014, 4:25 am
Quoting Mariner 1000
Interesting speculations. I don't think Tauriel will kill Bolg. At 2:06 in the trailer, we get a brief glimpse of somebody throwing Tauriel against a rock. To me it looks like Bolg is the second "person".

I agree.

Here are some more TV spots. Not in HD, but they have lots of great new footage. Thoughts anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgDhjWSqM4
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| November 28, 2014, 1:45 pm
SW teaser anyone? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erLk59H86ww
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| November 28, 2014, 2:13 pm
Quoting Mark McPeek
I agree.

Here are some more TV spots. Not in HD, but they have lots of great new footage. Thoughts anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgDhjWSqM4

Awesome!

At 0:52 it looks like we get our first look at Dain and at 1:07 it looks like the dwarves of the Iron Hills charging into battle. Anyway, those are my thoughts.

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| November 28, 2014, 3:58 pm
Quoting Mark McPeek
I agree.

Here are some more TV spots. Not in HD, but they have lots of great new footage. Thoughts anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgDhjWSqM4

Looks pretty good. It's looking quite dark for Tauriel.
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| November 28, 2014, 4:21 pm
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Quoting Mark McPeek
I agree.

Here are some more TV spots. Not in HD, but they have lots of great new footage. Thoughts anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgDhjWSqM4

Look at 0:34! It looks like the windlance is broken! Our hopes may yet hold true!
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| November 28, 2014, 7:31 pm
Quoting Mark McPeek
I agree.

Here are some more TV spots. Not in HD, but they have lots of great new footage. Thoughts anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvgDhjWSqM4

Looks great! I can't wait!
Quoting Jacob Syrups
Awesome!

At 0:52 it looks like we get our first look at Dain and at 1:07 it looks like the dwarves of the Iron Hills charging into battle. Anyway, those are my thoughts.

I think you're right. It looks very close to the minifigure.
Quoting Mark Murphy
Look at 0:34! It looks like the windlance is broken! Our hopes may yet hold true!

I've said before and I'll say it again. I doubt Bard will kill Smaug with the windlance.
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| November 28, 2014, 9:27 pm
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Thanks for posting this, Mark!

I think some scenes are awesome! Galadriel using her magic powers, a broken windlance (YAY!) and now we finally got to see Dain Ironfoot the first time! It seems like his appearance is more dwarvish than most of the "Thorin-and-Co" dwarves. His helmet looks cool, too. Maybe this is the first time I'm completely satisfied with a character design in the Hobbit...
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| November 29, 2014, 4:55 am
Well, I read a review on BOTFA (getting good reviews so far!) over on TORN. It had a few minor spoilers, so before you read on, you've been warned....



The author said that the first hour and a half was incredible. He said it was the best part of the Trilogy so far. He also said the battle was excellent, although quite overdone and often unrealistic (But hey, all the Hobbit movies and even LotR have really unrealistic things in them. I just hope it doesn't go too far or extreme).

But what bothered him the most, and I already know it will bother me, is that, once the battle is over, Bilbo goes home and there is no funeral or coronation and none of the characters (that don't appear in LotR movies) are tied up.

End of spoilers:

Now, my personal thoughts are that PJ is doing this because a lot of people didn't like the many RotK endings.

I quite liked the endings of RotK, so it's too bad that some of the characters, (I'm guessing Beorn, Radagast, Dain, Tauriel, etc.) will be questions marks once the film is over, for the casual movie-goer.

However, Peter said that the EE will be about 30 mins. (yay!), so I'm really hoping that all the loose ends will be tied up in it.

I was really hoping we'd get a lot of stuff after the battle to finish the story, so hopefully it doesn't feel to rushed at the end.

Anyway, very excited to see it and formulate my own opinion on it.
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| December 3, 2014, 5:26 pm
Quoting Mark McPeek
Well, I read a review on BOTFA (getting good review so far!) over on TORN. It had a few minor spoilers, so before you read on, you've been warned....



The author said that the first hour and a half was incredible. He said it was the best part of the Trilogy so far. He also said the battle was excellent, although quite overdone and often unrealistic (But hey, all the Hobbit movies and even LotR have really unrealistic things in them. I just hope it doesn't go too far or extreme).

But what bothered him the most, and I already know it will bother me, is that, once the battle is over, Bilbo goes home and there is no funeral or coronation and none of the characters (that don't appear in LotR movies) are tied up.

End of spoilers:

Now, my personal thoughts are that PJ is doing this because a lot of people didn't like RotK ending.

I quite liked the endings of RotR, so it's too bad that some of the characters, (I'm guessing Beorn, Radagast, Dain, Tauriel, etc.) will be questions marks once the film is over, for the casual movie goer.

However, Peter said that the EE will be about 30 mins. (yay!), so I'm really hoping that all the loose ends will be tied up in it.

I was really hoping we'd get a lot of stuff after the battle to finish the story, so hopefully it doesn't feel to rushed at the end.

Anyway, very excited to see it and formulate my own opinion on it.

That's interesting stuff. Speaking of interesting.

*SPOILER ALERT*

I found this on The Hobbit Blog.

http://www.thehobbitblog.com/new-clip-the-hobbit-the-battle-of-the-five-armies/
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| December 3, 2014, 5:34 pm
Quoting Mariner 1000
That's interesting stuff. Speaking of interesting.

*SPOILER ALERT*

I found this on The Hobbit Blog.

http://www.thehobbitblog.com/new-clip-the-hobbit-the-battle-of-the-five-armies/

I fixed my spelling mistakes, by the way. ;)

Yes, I saw that one. But I don't think I'm going to watch the other ones that are circulating. I'll wait a couple weeks. ;)
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| December 3, 2014, 5:42 pm
Quoting Mark McPeek
I fixed my spelling mistakes, by the way. ;)

Yes, I saw that one. But I don't think I'm going to watch the other ones that are circulating. I'll wait a couple weeks. ;)

Same here.
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| December 3, 2014, 9:28 pm
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I also read some reviews about the last Hobbit movie.

On the one hand they say that it is the best of the three movies and the only one that is as good as the LOTR trilogy.

WARNING---SPOILERS!!!

On the other hand they revealed some disappointing details:

- As Mark said above NO coronations or funerals and barely any farewells
- Too much CGI, Dain Ironfoot is completely replaced by an CGI version, although still a very impressive character.
- only about 15 seconds of Beorn in the whole movie and also Dain Ironfoot seems to disappear during the battle scenes.
- Legolas kills Bolg. (NOOO! My biggest fears came true. What about the book facts, PJ??)
- As for the other deaths: Azog beheads Fili and sends the head to Thorin and Kili dies while defending Tauriel. Thorin and Azog wound each other deathly. (It is said that in the EE Beorn find the wounded Thorin and brings him back to the dwarven camp.)

BUT as Mark said: good news are that the EE will be 30 minutes longer, so maybe it will include all the missing Dain and Beorn scenes, coronations and funerals.

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| December 4, 2014, 9:50 am
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Quoting Michael Kringe
I also read some reviews about the last Hobbit movie.

On the one hand they say that it is the best of the three movies and the only one that is as good as the LOTR trilogy.

WARNING---SPOILERS!!!

On the other hand they revealed some disappointing details:

- As Mark said above NO coronations or funerals and barely any farewells
- Too much CGI, Dain Ironfoot is completely replaced by an CGI version, although still a very impressive character.
- only about 15 seconds of Beorn in the whole movie and also Dain Ironfoot seems to disappear during the battle scenes.
- Legolas kills Bolg. (NOOO! My biggest fears came true. What about the book facts, PJ??)
- As for the other deaths: Azog beheads Fili and sends the head to Thorin and Kili dies while defending Tauriel. Thorin and Azog wound each other deathly. (It is said that in the EE Beorn find the wounded Thorin and brings him back to the dwarven camp.)

BUT as Mark said: good news are that the EE will be 30 minutes longer, so maybe it will include all the missing Dain and Beorn scenes, coronations and funerals.

Just a quick announcement:

I will be avoiding The Fellowship of the Brick for the next 2 weeks as I do not want any hobbit spoilers. :)

See you all later.

~Mark
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| December 4, 2014, 11:53 am
oh man, I read too much. Now it's no suprise...oh well I couldn't stop reading even tho I don't want this much info.
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| December 4, 2014, 6:49 pm
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Quoting Mark Murphy
Just a quick announcement:

I will be avoiding The Fellowship of the Brick for the next 2 weeks as I do not want any hobbit spoilers. :)

See you all later.

~Mark

So did my spoilers put you to flight? :D
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| December 5, 2014, 5:09 am
Like Mark, I'll be avoiding this thread, but not the entire group, until I see the movie.
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| December 5, 2014, 1:26 pm
Hey dudes! Check out these new snapshots from The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies! This one looks like Saruman the White using magic on a Ringwraith: https://secure.gravatar.com/userimage/63290728/113057b40a50d143498326bcee0d11a2?size=400px. This one looks like Bard looking at Smaug as he destroys Laketown: https://secure.gravatar.com/userimage/63290728/1c22bc9a5a148ef82d65f5022afc5b53?size=400px. This one looks like part of the actual battle (and if you look closely, you can see King Thranduil on his moose in the center of the photo): https://secure.gravatar.com/userimage/63290728/c89f9b550007f0de6fbdb9c146533f00?size=400px.
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| December 5, 2014, 3:36 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
So did my spoilers put you to flight? :D

I don't really care about spoilers. :P
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| December 5, 2014, 10:09 pm
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Quoting Michael Kringe
So did my spoilers put you to flight? :D

I actually didn't read it because I knew there were spoilers.
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| December 6, 2014, 12:15 pm
Quoting Michael Kringe
I also read some reviews about the last Hobbit movie.

On the one hand they say that it is the best of the three movies and the only one that is as good as the LOTR trilogy.

WARNING---SPOILERS!!!

On the other hand they revealed some disappointing details:

- As Mark said above NO coronations or funerals and barely any farewells
- Too much CGI, Dain Ironfoot is completely replaced by an CGI version, although still a very impressive character.
- only about 15 seconds of Beorn in the whole movie and also Dain Ironfoot seems to disappear during the battle scenes.
- Legolas kills Bolg. (NOOO! My biggest fears came true. What about the book facts, PJ??)
- As for the other deaths: Azog beheads Fili and sends the head to Thorin and Kili dies while defending Tauriel. Thorin and Azog wound each other deathly. (It is said that in the EE Beorn find the wounded Thorin and brings him back to the dwarven camp.)

BUT as Mark said: good news are that the EE will be 30 minutes longer, so maybe it will include all the missing Dain and Beorn scenes, coronations and funerals.

How does Smaug get killed?
And does Thorin get to say: If more of us valued food and cheer above hoarded gold, the world would be a merrier place?
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| December 7, 2014, 12:00 pm
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Quoting Tureaglin Naugellon
How does Smaug get killed?
And does Thorin get to say: If more of us valued food and cheer above hoarded gold, the world would be a merrier place?

Smaug gets killed in the very beginning of the movie (no flashbacks) by Bard and Bain who use the broken windlance as a bow.

And I don't know whether Thorin says it or not, but this is one of my favorite quotes from the book. The day after tomorrow I will have watched the Battle of the Five Armies and then I can tell you. Maybe I will also add a review in this group.
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| December 8, 2014, 4:25 am
Quoting Michael Kringe
I also read some reviews about the last Hobbit movie.

On the one hand they say that it is the best of the three movies and the only one that is as good as the LOTR trilogy.

WARNING---SPOILERS!!!

On the other hand they revealed some disappointing details:

- As Mark said above NO coronations or funerals and barely any farewells
- Too much CGI, Dain Ironfoot is completely replaced by an CGI version, although still a very impressive character.
- only about 15 seconds of Beorn in the whole movie and also Dain Ironfoot seems to disappear during the battle scenes.
- Legolas kills Bolg. (NOOO! My biggest fears came true. What about the book facts, PJ??)
- As for the other deaths: Azog beheads Fili and sends the head to Thorin and Kili dies while defending Tauriel. Thorin and Azog wound each other deathly. (It is said that in the EE Beorn find the wounded Thorin and brings him back to the dwarven camp.)

BUT as Mark said: good news are that the EE will be 30 minutes longer, so maybe it will include all the missing Dain and Beorn scenes, coronations and funerals.

I shouldn't of read that.
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| December 8, 2014, 1:38 pm
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