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"SNOT" and "Studless" are not the same thing
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A pet peeve of mine: People who use the term "SNOT" to mean "studless." SNOT means Studs Not On Top -- in other words, a construction technique is utilized to make studs point sideways or down, or any other direction than up. It has nothing to do with whether studs show or not.

SNOT techniques are often used to create studless surfaces, but the two terms are not interchangeable. SNOT construction may leave studs showing, they just won't be on top. Using a tile to cover studs that point up is not SNOT. It's just studless.

Thank you.
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| February 12, 2009, 5:26 pm
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Quoting Shannon Young
A pet peeve of mine: People who use the term "SNOT" to mean "studless." SNOT means Studs Not On Top -- in other words, a construction technique is utilized to make studs point sideways or down, or any other direction than up. It has nothing to do with whether studs show or not.

SNOT techniques are often used to create studless surfaces, but the two terms are not interchangeable. SNOT construction may leave studs showing, they just won't be on top. Using a tile to cover studs that point up is not SNOT. It's just studless.

Thank you.

I see your point. Do you consider MOCs that use both S.N.O.T. techniques and studless bricks still SNOTty?
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| February 12, 2009, 5:44 pm
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I've been looking through mocs in the group to see if anybody did that. I didn't find any (studless) mocs. If people post (studless) instead of (S.N.O.T.) I'll remove the pages, and tell that person why I did it and what we all expect from S.N.O.T.

S.K.
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| February 12, 2009, 9:27 pm
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Quoting Chas Irish
I see your point. Do you consider MOCs that use both S.N.O.T. techniques and studless bricks still SNOTty?

As long as it has SNOT, it's SNOTty.
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| February 13, 2009, 2:59 pm
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Actually, coming to think of it, it's hard to build something without SNOT! Even if it's in super-small amounts.
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| February 13, 2009, 3:40 pm
S.K. - I do see a MOC or two here in the group that are just tiled-over studs-up and not actually SNOT construction. I'm not naming names, it was not my intention to get anyone's stuff kicked out. I just see a lot of people in reviews say "Nice use of SNOT!" or some such, when it's obvious that what they mean is they like the studless aspect.

Chas - For me, I wouldn't call a creation "SNOTty" unless a clear majority of the studs faced other than up. Or better yet, the ones where the builder got studs pointing in all different directions within a relatively small space. Almost everyone incorporates some sort of SNOT technique in their MOCs on a regular basis, but I wouldn't go so far as to call most of them SNOTty.
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| February 13, 2009, 3:48 pm
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Thanks Shannon. I'll look again. I wouldn't kick anyone out because of this. I would just remove the creation and tell them why. P.S. If you would like to be appointed as a moderator, then I could do so. I can't control the entire group. Especially one that has been growing rapidly. Please respond.

S.K.
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| February 13, 2009, 4:00 pm
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Quoting Shannon Young
S.K. - I do see a MOC or two here in the group that are just tiled-over studs-up and not actually SNOT construction. I'm not naming names, it was not my intention to get anyone's stuff kicked out. I just see a lot of people in reviews say "Nice use of SNOT!" or some such, when it's obvious that what they mean is they like the studless aspect.

Chas - For me, I wouldn't call a creation "SNOTty" unless a clear majority of the studs faced other than up. Or better yet, the ones where the builder got studs pointing in all different directions within a relatively small space. Almost everyone incorporates some sort of SNOT technique in their MOCs on a regular basis, but I wouldn't go so far as to call most of them SNOTty.

OK. The reason I asked is because most of my vignettes use S.N.O.T. for the base, but for the rest I make it studless. For example, my vignette, "when treadmills speed up" uses a SNOTty base, but the wall and treadmill are just studless.
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| February 13, 2009, 4:04 pm
Quoting Sterling Knight
If you would like to be appointed as a moderator, then I could do so.


I don't mind being a moderator if you want more hands on deck.

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| February 13, 2009, 4:23 pm
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Welcome aboard! Also, I added my Desert Eagle because it uses S.N.O.T. elements for the top of the barrel and half of the handle.
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| February 13, 2009, 4:26 pm
Just take a look at my car creations. Someone said to me recently that they weren't real lego. So I had to take one apart and show them the studs.
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| September 19, 2012, 9:26 am
Quoting Stephen Barnes
Just take a look at my car creations. Someone said to me recently that they weren't real lego. So I had to take one apart and show them the studs.
I usually leave some studs on my cars to show that it's LEGO, just like the official "Cars" sets. I really like the look of that ;-))

Nevertheless, on the SNOT sections I prefer to have as few studs as possible.

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| January 15, 2013, 9:09 am
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