I gotta bookmark this! Thanks for the tip!

I remember seeing this way back when, I can't tell you how much I tried to look for it. THANK GOD IT'S HERE :D

Congrats on MOTD! This was one of the mocs I added to my Favorites very early on in my stay here! :)

Interesting, I'll have to keep this in mind when building! =D

I believe thanks are in order. About two years ago, when I was somewhat new to the online LEGO community, I looked at this. It helped make me become the builder I am today, and I learned a lot of useful techniques. I salute you, master of the Skunk Works, and thank you once more.

thanks for this, really useful! Ive been meaning to get back into system moccing.

Thanks for the tips! ;) Congratulations on MOTD!

Well deserving of MOTD.

Great stuff, and good to remember!

Fancy, stuff. I need to remember these tips.

Great job! :) and great tips for biginners! maybe they could use this one, too: try to push a plate between two studs, it will fit, I used this more than one time :)

I love the way how you've managed to include so many ratios into the small build in the first photo. The rest of the pictures illustrate techniques simply & clearly. Great work and a useful resource.

LOL! I already saw this creation yesterday. This 'lesson' will be helpful!

Very helpful! And MOTD!

excellent! very helpful! 'grats on MOTD!

It is good to see all of these listed here in one place. I would add one more, though, that I have found very useful. When you want to attach a plate facing outward using a brick with a perpendicular stud if you separate each brick with two standard platform bricks then they will fit into every other connector on the back of the plate. I use this technique a lot if anyone wants to see an example.

"I'm learning!" XD

That's a great tutorial! It's good to have all these photos to look at them anytime. Thanks for that, great job! :-))

I never seen this one !!!! so cool to share !!! It will be very helpful !!!

Brilliant! I've seen and used quite a few of those before, but a couple of them are new to me. Thanks for posting this!

Nice! Although, the stud-into-technic-hole isn't actually illegal, it's a technique used by LEGO.

many thanks for the lesson, teacher! =)

I luved it! Also, I'm new to all this and found you thru you being a favorite of another MOCer who I like. Then recalled having seen some of your MOC's before....I wonder about that mind of yours...that's a complement from a fellow Pacific Northwesterner!

wow. this is very interesting. i never thought there could be so many combinations like this. the last part with the baseplate will REALLY come in handy! 10 out of 5, my friend. 10 out of 5.

Interesting!

saving and faving and commenting

Genius!! Thanks for the amazing tips.

Of course you would want viewers to use these techniques! So I just might! Nice job!

Very useful and interesting information! Thank you!

Thanks for sharing. I have used some of these techniques but not all. Also really like the colours you have used. Congrats on motd

the pics with 4-8 headlight bricks together make little nazi signs. subliminal LEGO? congrats on MOTD.

Math and legos, sweet!

ahh... usless numbers and facts... Love it! xD

This is very useful information!

Ahh, I love math! This is my kind of thing. Ooo! Here's some different techniques I haven't noticed before. Thanks!

I hate math, so when I saw the title to this MOC, my mood turned sour. However, that all changed when I actually viewed your pics and description and realized your creation was about LEGO building. I gotta say, this MOC has been extremely helpful! I'm even starting to like ratios...well, maybe not :) Congrats on MOTD!

This is very very very helpful!!

Ready for 202...

Why can't Math Ratios be this easy? -Lee

This is a quite interesting lecture. I knew some of the basic things already (as you said: discovered in our early days), but there where a lot of possibilities I did not know so far.

Very Informative! :-)

Thats good information to know, i will need to remember them. and congrats on MOTD!-Tchexmix

awesome work! This is really useful! and congrats on MOTD!

Wow! ive never even remotely considered some of these techniques! thanks for the knoledge, I plan to use it.

Nice basic techniques but there's a mistake in it. A stud's height is equal to 1/4h, not 1/6h.

This has probably been the single most helpful MOC I have ever seen, it has improved my creations by far, thanks.

This is the greatest thing ever. I always thought that 2 studs width=4 plates high! Thank you!

Great tutorial. Thanks.

Technically the "HB"s are called Earlings Thanks

some of that stuff I was finally getting my head round through trail and error. One thing though, a couple of the examples use the technic bricks with studs pressed into them. is that an official construction technique as it isn't possible in LDD. I only ask as I wondered if it stressed bricks when using it in real life. EDIT: someone asked this, not me. Well, in LDD, you first have to put two 1X1 circular flats on the piece you want to stick in the Technic brick. BTW, that MOC is Smart! I would never have figured some of that out, considering i'm still just 9.

Really useful 101. Very well explained. Now let`s see 28 studs high, 80 studs wide, plates vertical 90 degrees, that means.....

Well, I've found that plugging a stud into a Technic hole can sometimes be a tighter fit than plugging it into the bottom of another brick or plate. Might be a tiny bit of stress involved, but I personally would never have thought of it as an "illegal" technique. Maybe an oversight on the part of the LDD program writers?

some of that stuff I was finally getting my head round through trail and error. One thing though, a couple of the examples use the technic bricks with studs pressed into them. is that an official construction technique as it isn't possible in LDD. I only ask as I wondered if it stressed bricks when using it in real life.

Great page, the 4 interlocked 1x1 light pieces is something I have never thought or seen of before. Great presentation on this, I'm glad I finally checked it out...

Very colorful. I've used that thing with the brackets on my hangar dios for awhile now. Thanks for the ideas.

every bit as informative as the "Chronos Project" was funny. Your next batch of red tiles are in the mail...

No your giving away all my secrets.

can you imagine how much more effective our space program would be if NASA commissioned their mathematics from LEGO engineers?

Today is a good day Mr. Young - it is always a good day when I learn something new, and here you have taught me a couple of new techniques. Thank you. Lee.

thanks for posting! this stuff will be so helpful. alot of these i have seen before and sometimes used, but there were some really good ones that are new to me. thanks!

True, these techniques can a help a lot when you're designing something.

thanks

Wow. That is very thought provoking. I will use that sometime.

SUM DAEY YOO CAN HAS MATHS T00 Thanks for the ratios. You should make another one of these but for hinges (example- these pegs on the rod part of a fire piece can fit on the visor holes of a clone trooper helmet, allowing you to make a flaming helmet.) I do alot of stuff like this, I call it "Abstract Lego"

Okay, I never realized the thickness of the baseplates. I'm gonna have to try that sometime.

I am going to use it well, thanks

Excellent, I love instructional MOCs and you did a great job on this one Shannon. Ratios are a tricky thing, I had mostly figured these all out, but I didn't realize that baseplates are half studs and can be stacked as such in your last picture. Learn something new every day I guess. Thanks for sharing

cool, I just love how Legos fit together no matter what the problem.

I read this and was like... Huh?

holycrap! i need those ratios thank you :D

Didn't know some of those ratios myself. Invaluable for anyone new to the SNOT technique.

An excellent visual representation of the multitude of SNOT techniques out there. Great work Shannon and thanks for posting this. I hadn't seen the 'four headlight bricks form a square' technique before. Nice work!

Love it. Great stuff, that will hilp me with my floors. But ive already been to Math today... and I hate math so much.

what is it?????

Thanks. I'm actually going to favorite this.

Most impressive. To be honest, I had never seen half of the ideas you presented. Very well done, specifically that last item.

a brilliantly constructed tutorial to people who have yet to realise all techniques and at the same time a good reference and reminder for those who already know some if not all of them. I use these here and there in the occasional moc i never publish because of current internet upload prices, but it is good to have things like this to remind me how i did it and to proove to myself i am not just bending bricks but they actually fit :P

Congratulations. Good thing for you this isn't a race to the south pole, because I figured out the headlight brick square trick around 1980, long before you were ever thought of. Nowhere on this page did I claim to invent any of these techniques, or be the first to discover and employ them. It's just meant to be a handy reference guide for those who haven't yet discovered them. If you've already got it all figured out and this page is of no use to you, then more power to you, genius.

Neat. But the one with the 4 two-stud-two-indent connection part, I already did that. Almost with the same color! Sorry, but 3 heads.

Great stuff. This is my new reference material.

Well done sir, seen a lot of this before but presented in a far more stuffy, math-heavy form on some word document. This was far easier to follow and nicely done.

A valid point -- in fact I don't know that I would call any of the above ratios "exact." Lego pieces are not perfect, and sometimes the tolerances will be microscopically off. When you're working in small increments it usually isn't a problem, but over longer distances the slight misalignments can add up and become noticeable. You check and re-check the math, you're sure that it's right... but the pieces just refuse to abide by it.

I've been thinking about these for a while, but every time I started experimenting, I lost focus and started configuring weapons. Also, there are lotsa... rainbows. Just to let you know.

Just a few pieces put together in different ways got you THIS many views and "I like it's". Just... WOW. I am horriable at SNOT. But a rainbow of colors in each picture gives it a more "fun" look to it. Those headlight pieces are hard to work with. And I NEVER knew about the base plate trick. Mine are bent. But they are now hilly. I may go try it soon. 5,000,000/5 for Mr. Shannon.

There are some techniques in here that I have been experimenting with, albeit badly, finding this little self help gem will greatly assist me in certain builds. Thank you very much.

nice though i will probabily forget this it will still come in handy wen SNOTing

This is awesome, thanks for posting it.

You, my friend, are Epic.

Sweet

Nice! This is just what a lot of people need.

Thanks, very helpfull indeed! But every build is different so I just keep trying for the best solution ;-)

Very nice collection of findings here. I've found out most of these over time, but I did learn some of the more advanced techniques right here on this page. I may point out, however, that the third-to-last technique displayed here is not exact. While working on my "Green Hell" diorama, I used that method to transfer from the SNOT base to the the studded sides of the track. After completion, I noticed hairline cracks between the green plates held on top. These small gaps added up to make, say a 8x1 tile, a little stretched over the pieces: not quite a perfect fit. This observation is very subtle, however, and it will not make a difference in most applications of the technique. A helpful strategy, nevertheless, and congratulations on this nice collection of building methods!

Wow, this is very good, and very helpful to people who never thought of this before.

I lernded.

The amount of rainbows in this MOC makes me worry..... Nothing here I hadn't learned by accident, but I'm sure a load of MOCpages less observant builders will hopefully capitalize of you're kind teachings.

I will never understand why this can't be a proper subject. Just look at the smartness in it!

Wow! Alot of this stuff I never knew (or at least never paid attention to) until now! Great job, and thanks for the lesson =)

Very helpful! Some of those I did not know and should definately be of use!

Yeah, I phrased that badly. I just meant to reinforce the fact that a baseplate (like the side of a bracket) is half a plate high.

THANK YOU! I previously made a mathematical table for LEGO ratios, but this is much more visual and contains more information than anything I could've written on paper.

Wow, very interesting! I hadn't realized several things in there...

Dude, thanks for the review! However, my mind went bezerk thinking of the math. ;) I also love the color matchups.

Nice presentation and educational too. I got my learn on. I stuck a link up on my blog and to the local LUG's. http://garth.typepad.com/primitive_screwheads/ Thanks for putting that up. see ya. garth

very educational if thats what it is supposed to be.

This is terrific, Shannon! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this ... and so well, too! I don't get on the last one, though, why you mention the overhanging SNOTed part of a bracket in the caption. There's no bracket in the picture, right? Is that just so we know you can use a bracket in the same way as the baseplate shown? Thanks again!

Excellent! -And as you say; The fun dosent even stop here! ;-)

I've stumbled across a little of this by accident, having it explained, demonstrated, and presented with possible ideas on how these techniques might be used is very valuable indeed. My hat is off to you sir, and I will certainly keep this post in mind as I start new projects.

In all seriousness, there is a lot here that I never bothered to explore myself. Thank you sir.

Very cool, I have to admit that I didn't know some of these. And you even said it better than my math teacher could.

very original,I'm sure it will be very useful.

Thank you very much. This Moc is going to come in very handy over the next month. My building is going to improve tremendously because of this information. You deserve a lot higher than a 5, but that's all I can give it.

Extremely useful, ta very much!

Pretty nice presentation, Shannon, though nothing I don't already know (not to brag). Though most of these techniques are pretty simple, I've always had trouble with the infuriating headlight bricks when it involves further complicated techniques. Good day

Nice. I can use this tips when making some creation. Cool.

Wow thanks these are some techniques i could fide really useful, thanks alot :D

Like Moodswim and others, these are things I've only discovered through years of trial and error and there are a few things I hadn't known until now. Very educational and well presented. And hey, it got you a compliment from the man himself. Now, like Chris, I have some brain matter to wipe off my keyboard...~H

Sweet! That last one is awesome. I never knew that. some of this stuff will come in useful in my future building. :D

Very handy this is. Thanks for doing the thinking for me =D

So helpful! Thank you so much!

Dude, this is amazing. I knew some of these techniques (hardly use them though), but some of these just blew my mind! I always knew lego was good at keeping things compatible, but this has taken it to the next level! Well done. :)

Thanks! Now if I need to find something about SNOT I can refer back to here!

Thanks. I got many new ideas now but i don't have enough bricks of that sort to make these ideas true :(

The Great Shannon (young) has spoken... Much appreciation for sharing your boundless knowledge....

Wow, I don't know what it is, but you're full of it! :D

I just couldn't handle the noise level in that group -- too much meaningless chatter, precious little "advice" being sought or given -- so I quickly left. But if you or anyone else wants to link to this, I won't turn down the free publicity.

Thanks for posing this tutorial. I know alot of this stuff already but a few of them I didn't know. I will have to try some of them. ~ J

I'm bookmarking this!

Excellent descriptions of the basic ratios and and some of the more advanced building techniques associated with them. You should throw a link up to this in the MOCpages Advice Group.

You do realize of course that my head just exploded from having to follow math right? ~ Chris.

I love your use of colors here to so clearly illustrate what can otherwise be a real mathy-pain. Bravo, and here's hoping many can learn from this great tutorial!!

I thought I knew everything here until I saw the last one.... I've always wondered about that.....

Great hints, and great presentation.

Nothing I didn't already know here, but well presented. I can't wait for you to get into some of the more difficult ratios (especially technic).

Thanks for this! I'm obsessed with making my builds studless. Most of these techniques I've learned from trial and error, but some of these I didn't and they will come in handy in the future. Not sure if you knew, but some of the newer Headlight bricks don't have the half-stud indent, making it even easier to use these pieces in SNOT or studless creations:)

I've just got to say thank you for this, the SNOT floors have been a mystery to me for far too long, and I've been forced to use standard tiling. You sir, have just earned your page a spot on my bookmarks.

Ingenious. I love the use of all the different colors for emphasis. -Sam

We are not worthy! XD

If it's any reassurance, I'll try to make my next post cause mass anger and frustration.

My gosh... Shannon Young being helpful!? What on earth has happened to the world? ~T

At first I thought this was a joke, but then I read on. Nicely said. -Dylan

This is one of THE most useful MOCs I've ever seen! I worship you.

Very cool, I like all the ideas of how to design different shapes. 5/5 Great demonstration!

interesting!