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HMS Lively class 5th rater
This is my third ship LDD project. The design was finished at the end of August, thus making it my fastest project yet. (1-2 months). It hasn´t been uploaded until now because of the summer meltdown of Mocpages. Just like my other models she is in the scale 1:38(Please take time to compare this model with the paintings/wooden-models of HMS Lively and HMS/USS Macedonian). Though she´s a LDD model my intent is a “buildable” design. Sorry about the geeky nature of the presentation, but I can’t escape the fact that this is a very geeky project so…
About this creation




The Lively class was one of the most successful British frigate designs of the Napoleonic Wars. The first one ordered in 1799 and the last one broken up in 1885.



As the model resembles an entire class of frigates (16 ships) I´ve used several ships as inspiration



To the Americans, the best known ship of this class must be the HMS/USS Macedonian which that was captured by USS United States in the 1812 war between USA and the British Empire.



The main source for the exterior color-design is HMS Victory, as the Royal Navy painted the entire fleet in Nelson mesh after the Battle of Trafalgar.



The hull consists of 7 cross-sections, each 21-30 studs long.



Here a closer look at the "main mast section" to show the gun implacements. This section also features the pumps, but I couldn´t find a good angle to show this on a picture. you just have to look at the LDD file, sorry.



This frigate was armed with some pretty specialized guns- from left to right:
-The 18 pdr gun served as the main armament of the ship, not the heaviest longgun but a fair blend of firepower, range and accuracy.
-The 32 pdr carronade, the use of these guns gave the ship a close range broadside almost as heavy as a ship of the line, ouch!
-The 9 pdr chase guns, small but accurate. This was used to make "potshots" at rigging and crew, nasty.

The boats, anchor and capstan is a further development of these features on the "HMS Surprise" design.







Now follows some pictures of the design process. (Steps 1-9) This is about same as with the HMS Surprise.


1: Initial measuring, this is based mainly on the 1812 drawings of “Macedonian”, these drawings give reference points with gaps of 5-10 feet.


2: Filling the gaps, and designing the bow. Some will notice the white helmet and face on the other pictures of the figurehead. These are the only pieces that are not directly buyable via “Bricklink” or “DesignByMe”. The rest is pretty standard.


3: Cleaning up the hull, this is the stage where I make the model structurally sound and finish the main design of the external hull including the stern. The hull is approx. 180 studs long and approx. 40 studs wide(beam).


4: Inside SNOT, As I don´t have a lot of data on the lower decks of the Lively class, stage 4 -7 is a combination of HMS Lively(5th rater), HMS Surprise(6th rater), HMS Leopard(4th rater) and HMS Victory (1st rater).


5: The Hold, this includes the base of the main mast, the foremast and the pumps. The upper part of this is often referred to as the Orlop.




6: The lower deck, this deck serves about the same purpose as the orlop on a Ship of the Line. It has a lot of cabins, and the base of the mizzenmast.



7: The upper deck, this is the main gun-deck carrying 28 18 pounder long-guns. This deck also features the galley/stove, the pumps, one of the capstans, the main cabin (with checkerboard floor) and the fake base of the bowsprit.



8: Top deck(s), Forecastle: with 4 32 pdr carronades, 2 9 pdr chasers, the stove chimney and the belfry. Spardeck: this will later be dominated by the ships boats. Quarterdeck: with 12 32 pdr carronades, 2 9 pdr chasers, the second capstan and the wheel.



9: Masts & other stuff, this is the final stage of a LDD design, on a real build this would be followed by a rigging stage and the construction of a display stand.


And finally a couple of shots of the HMS Lively class 5th rater together with the Danish brig of war HDMS Lougen










Building instructions
Download building instructions (LEGO Digital Designer)

Comments

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  January 21, 2012
Quoting Chris Melby Anders, thanks for that info on sourcing some bricks. (Pulling my hair out) what to build next? I was thinking of an America's cup boat like in the movie wind, the Geronimo. If I do, I may have to "borrow"some of your hull techniques. That's a compliment! these are outstanding builds, and I am torn on whether I want to dig down on something so grande. Chris
Thanks my friend. That would really be a challenge. I think a combination of techniques, like Henrik Hoexbroe uses http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/135603 would fit this kind of hull. If your are going to build it with the interior, my approach may be the way to go. As always feel free to dig down in my LDD files to find the tricks (and errors) in them.
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  January 19, 2012
Quoting Chris Melby So are you going for a real build? If so fill me in on where you are going to source the bricks ! Chris
Well I'm not doing this ship yet,but I in the next couple of weeks I am testing my technique on the HDMS Lougen model. I use a combination of Pick a Brick and Bricklink(The bricks have just arrived today). Sorry if I gave the impression of going for a real build on this model at this time. However, if the HDMS Lougen build is sucessfull, I will move on to bigger ships, such as this one.
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  January 18, 2012
Quoting Captain Blackmoor This is fantastic! Great work on these ships, the shapes and measurements are perfect. Great stuff!
Thanks, now i just have to test out if my technique is holding up to the test of using real bricks
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  January 18, 2012
This is fantastic! Great work on these ships, the shapes and measurements are perfect. Great stuff!
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  January 5, 2012
Quoting Henrik Hoexbroe Fantastic design. Would love to see a model constructed with this technique. For me, it would be too part-intensive (=expensive), but you keep the pixelation quite low, and maintain complete freedom in design!
Thanks. Yes the price tag on these ships is quite scary. It has always been my intention with these designs to find a technique that could be used for making several very different ships. This way I will be able build up my brickcollection with all the relevant bricks. To start this of I will be making the HDMS Lougen during the next couple of months.
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  December 23, 2011
Fantastic design. Would love to see a model constructed with this technique. For me, it would be too part-intensive (=expensive), but you keep the pixelation quite low, and maintain complete freedom in design!
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  December 10, 2011
Quoting Dede Winters This is a great design. I love the way this ship is sculptured, with all the details, like the guns and long boats.
If you are interested there is kind of a development in these details starting with my MOC: Ship going through the HMS Surprise, this MOC and further...
 I made it 
  December 10, 2011
Quoting Andrew AKA Hump-Free Nice job on this, I was intrigued by the portion where you disclosed how you tackled created this MOC. Again, nice work.
Thanks, I have always enjoyed it when moccers revealed their process, so this is my take on making this information somewhat interesting. BTW the current look of this posting is partly due to your previous advice.
Anders T
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Andrew AKA Hump-Free
  December 8, 2011
Nice job on this, I was intrigued by the portion where you disclosed how you tackled created this MOC. Again, nice work.
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  December 8, 2011
This is a great design. I love the way this ship is sculptured, with all the details, like the guns and long boats.
 I made it 
  December 8, 2011
Quoting The Lego Animal (Formerly known as Jay Rhum) Where are my MOCpages's fellows to offer your work the rates and comments it deserves! =(
Thanks, a bunch, btw its admirable that you think up entire ships on your own. My ships are more or less like drawing something in front of me.
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  December 8, 2011
Quoting LukeSC Overlord That's amazing! too bad it's only ldd.
Thanks, well I consider these LDD models as design project, sort of rehearsal for the real thing. I think I´m pretty confident now, so during this winter I will start buying some bricks and build some of my smaller designs.
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  December 8, 2011
Quoting david Hensel you must have an amazing computer for you to make these huge ships. i love this thing! its no doubt one of the greatest lego ships of all time! now you need to make one out of real bricks and send it to me :D
Thanks for your comment. -If you are really nice maybe Santa will give you a ship-:P
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  December 8, 2011
Quoting Ted A. Amazing ship builds using LDD. It can be quite tricky to use LDD when you have sections that over-lap in view.
Thanks for your comment. Yes, In the design process I leave the hull together. The sections are not suitable in the design stage and have no purpose in LDD. I have made them to solve the problem of having a real lego ship with several decks.
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  December 8, 2011
Quoting Christian Collins VERY nice!
Thanks
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  December 7, 2011
That's amazing! too bad it's only ldd.
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  December 7, 2011
Where are my MOCpages's fellows to offer your work the rates and comments it deserves! =(
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  December 1, 2011
you must have an amazing computer for you to make these huge ships. i love this thing! its no doubt one of the greatest lego ships of all time! now you need to make one out of real bricks and send it to me :D
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  November 17, 2011
Amazing ship builds using LDD. It can be quite tricky to use LDD when you have sections that over-lap in view.
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  November 17, 2011
VERY nice!
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  November 15, 2011
Quoting Jay Rhum 34117 parts!!!! I wonder how come I did not comment that ship before! I've watched your model on my computer, and must say the shaping work on the hull is terrific! What a masterpiece!
Thanks for checking out the LDD it´s uploaded for that purpose, I know the "photos" doesn´t do justice to the model-. Thanks to you and Frank R for describing this as a "masterpiece" A quick comment to this: try to check out the photostream by "lego monster" I´m so inspired by that guy it´s ridiculous. (especially the "hms Hood" and it´s boats), it will make your jaw drop to the floor.
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  November 12, 2011
34117 parts!!!! I wonder how come I did not comment that ship before! I've watched your model on my computer, and must say the shaping work on the hull is terrific! What a masterpiece!
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  October 31, 2011
A true masterpiece!... Realism and attention to details are simply amazing ...
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  October 26, 2011
Quoting Noah and Ben Yesterday was the 199th anniversary of the Macedonian's capture. I had meant to post this yesterday, but MocPages went down as I was typing...
Awesome, I should have waited until yesterday to post then:p Anyway thanks for the attention it´s always nice when a moc has some relevance.
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  October 26, 2011
Yesterday was the 199th anniversary of the Macedonian's capture. I had meant to post this yesterday, but MocPages went down as I was typing...
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  October 22, 2011
Quoting Nykle Dijkstra Your LDD ships are some excellent pieces of artwork! I'm not sure if they could be built in real in terms of stability, but they seem very accurate. The most beautiful and realistic Lego ships I've ever seen. Could you also share your ships/techniques on the forum classic-pirates.com? That would be awesome. Anyway, you did a great job!
Thanks, to respond to your stability concern: As with all fullhull ships they are intented to be mounted on a stand. If you look in the LDD file you´ll see that I´ve tried to deal with the masts as they are my main concern in terms of stability.
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  October 22, 2011
Your LDD ships are some excellent pieces of artwork! I'm not sure if they could be built in real in terms of stability, but they seem very accurate. The most beautiful and realistic Lego ships I've ever seen. Could you also share your ships/techniques on the forum classic-pirates.com? That would be awesome. Anyway, you did a great job!
Anders T
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rai v B
  October 20, 2011
You're ships are looking just great. Just respect for your building skills.
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  October 20, 2011
Quoting rai v B You're ships are looking just great. Just respect for your building skills.
Thanks and right backatcha. Your latest models are excellent.
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  October 11, 2011
Quoting Frank Brick Wright I can't read your LDD file (problem is of my computer, I don't have a compatible reader), so can you tell me the number of parts? I guess it is astronomical, judging for the size and very detailed hull... Your design is formidable and I am sure it took you a great amount of time! I hope to see one of this ships in real bricks someday, though I think it will cost a fortune :P
Thank you, the number of bricks is 34117. This design was actually quite fast. 1-2 months. I´m currently designing a more realistic build, a brig. This will soon be uploaded as LDD.
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  October 11, 2011
I can't read your LDD file (problem is of my computer, I don't have a compatible reader), so can you tell me the number of parts? I guess it is astronomical, judging for the size and very detailed hull... Your design is formidable and I am sure it took you a great amount of time! I hope to see one of this ships in real bricks someday, though I think it will cost a fortune :P
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  October 11, 2011
Quoting Dinos4Ever . These are epic!
Thank you, hoped they would be.
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  October 11, 2011
Quoting João Eínon Impressive!
Thank you, that was what I was going for.
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  October 11, 2011
Quoting Sebeus I Very nice, again a well sculptured hull, 180 studs long ? wow, that would be more than a meter, a magnificent warship. Great job!
thank you, well the size is actually a problem, it takes it further away from being a realistic "real" build. However thank´s
 I made it 
  October 11, 2011
Quoting Sebeus I Very nice, again a well sculptured hull, 180 studs long ? wow, that would be more than a meter, a magnificent warship. Great job!
thank you, well the size is actually a problem it makes it an unrealistic "real" build. However thank´s
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  October 11, 2011
Quoting Daniel Brilliant Wonderful! You've inspired me to make my own ship using digital designer. I thought that it wasn't possible to make a ship that looked that good using such a limited program, but you have proven me wrong.
thank you, looking forward to seeing you´re ship on site.
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  October 11, 2011
Quoting JS Can Beautifully done. Should be a MOTD.
thank you, uh, that would be cool.
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  October 4, 2011
These are epic!
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  October 4, 2011
Quoting Noah and Ben Another marvelous LDD sailing ship! Think you could make a USS Constitution next? Or do you live and Britain, and your blood curdles at her name? Haha... 5-zip US Navy! Anyway, I really appreciate the work you put into these, and have built a few (waterline) brigs, sloops, and schooners myself on LDD, inspired by your work. Think you could make something black and white with stars and stripes fluttering up top?
The US heavy frigates would be a nice challenge. The USS Macedonian was of the HMS Lively class, so feel free to see it with the Stars & Stripes instead of the Union Jack. I´m Danish, so no national pride on stake there :P. The best response I could hope for is to be an inspiration, so thank you for this.
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  October 4, 2011
Impressive!
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  October 4, 2011
Very nice, again a well sculptured hull, 180 studs long ? wow, that would be more than a meter, a magnificent warship. Great job!
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  October 3, 2011
Wonderful! You've inspired me to make my own ship using digital designer. I thought that it wasn't possible to make a ship that looked that good using such a limited program, but you have proven me wrong.
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  October 3, 2011
Beautifully done. Should be a MOTD.
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  October 3, 2011
Another marvelous LDD sailing ship! Think you could make a USS Constitution next? Or do you live and Britain, and your blood curdles at her name? Haha... 5-zip US Navy! Anyway, I really appreciate the work you put into these, and have built a few (waterline) brigs, sloops, and schooners myself on LDD, inspired by your work. Think you could make something black and white with stars and stripes fluttering up top?
 
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